Thanks Andy,

This enhancement is in the datastax version and not in the apache cassandra
driver?

Thanks!
Sagar.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 3:23 AM Andy Tolbert <andrew.tolb...@datastax.com>
wrote:

> Hello
>
> 1) yes its local only. The driver by default does connect to each host
> > though so its pretty trivial to have a load balancing policy that you can
> > direct to specific hosts (this should probably be in the driver so people
> > dont have to keep reimplementing it).
> >
>
> The capability to target a specific host was added to the java driver (and
> others) recently in anticipation of Virtual Tables in version 3.6.0+ via
> Statement.setHost [1].  This will bypass the load balancing policy
> completely and send the request directly to that that Host (assuming it's
> connected).
>
> The drivers also parse virtual table metadata as well.
>
> [1]:
>
> https://docs.datastax.com/en/drivers/java/3.6/com/datastax/driver/core/Statement.html#setHost-com.datastax.driver.core.Host-
>
> Thanks!
> Andy
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 11:29 AM Sagar <sagarmeansoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Chris. I got caught up with a few things and couldn't reply back.
> > So, I re-looked this again and I think virtual tables can be used for
> audit
> > logging. Considering that they don't have any replication - so we won't
> be
> > clogging the network with replication IO.
> >
> > In terms of storage, from what I understood, virtual tables don't have
> any
> > associated SSTables. So, is data stored only in Memtables? Can you please
> > shed some light on storage and the retention because of this?
> >
> > Lastly, the driver changes, I agree, we should make the driver be able to
> > contact to specific hosts with the correct LBP. If we do go this route, I
> > can start taking a look at it.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sagar.
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 10:42 PM Chris Lohfink <clohfin...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > 1) yes its local only. The driver by default does connect to each host
> > > though so its pretty trivial to have a load balancing policy that you
> can
> > > direct to specific hosts (this should probably be in the driver so
> people
> > > dont have to keep reimplementing it).
> > >
> > > 2) yes, easiest way is to setup a whitelist load balancing policy like
> in
> > > cqlsh but like above. Best option is a custom LBP + StatementWrapper
> that
> > > holds the host target which can direct individual queries to specific
> > hosts
> > >
> > > 3) yes, cqlsh makes a connection to local C* instance with whitelist
> > policy
> > > so it only queries that one node.
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 9:43 AM Sagar <sagarmeansoc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > So, I went through the ticket for the creation of Virtual Tables(must
> > say
> > > > it was quite a long ticket spanning across 4 years).
> > > >
> > > > I see that there are a few tables created in the db.virtual package.
> > > These
> > > > appear to be metrics related tables.
> > > >
> > > > Couple of questions here:
> > > >
> > > > 1) Do all the tables pertain only data locally? What I mean is that
> in
> > a
> > > > cluster, each node will have its own ThreadPoolsTable pertaining to
> > > thread
> > > > pools on that node? Is that assumption correct?
> > > > 2) In terms of querying, again can we query only locally? I saw a lot
> > of
> > > > discussion on the ticket for where node = 1.2.3.4. I guess that isn't
> > > > supported? So. for any user to query for metrics of a given node, he
> > will
> > > > have to login and query on that node.
> > > > 3) Looks like these metrics are queryable via cqlsh? Is that
> statement
> > > > correct?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > Sagar.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 7:30 AM Sagar <sagarmeansoc...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Right, Thanks Jonathan and Chris.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mean while, I would go through the 2 jira items to try and
> understand
> > > > > about virtual tables.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Sagar.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:14 AM Jonathan Haddad <j...@jonhaddad.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Sagar,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There isn't going to be much in the way of docs, since it's brand
> > new
> > > > and
> > > > >> not really a public facing thing yet.  As Chris pointed out,
> there's
> > > > other
> > > > >> work that would need to be done to work on virtual tables for
> large
> > > > >> datasets.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jon
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 6:42 AM Chris Lohfink <
> clohfin...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > While you probably could put a virtual table wrapper over the
> > > binlogs,
> > > > >> you
> > > > >> > would want to wait for something like
> > > > >> >
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_CASSANDRA-2D14629&d=DwIFaQ&c=adz96Xi0w1RHqtPMowiL2g&r=VHsWqsWT2MoX5jRZ0xZfdAWZxBsrn5KzowynGYCJaXE&m=Hm3Dmun0qF2plgG5tk2ihs3UcucypmoQY1YEE2vpsuE&s=MMYt6iqyvTZ5IilHTp0BhXswf-zCSN-xjXqIbC0IV_I&e=
> > to get in so
> > > > you
> > > > >> > would not OOM. The current virtual table implementation requires
> > you
> > > > >> have
> > > > >> > the entire result set to be returned at once.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Chris
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:29 AM Sagar <sagarmeansoc...@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Hi Jonathan,
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > I couldn't find much literature on Virtual tables apart from
> > this
> > > > >> ticket:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> >
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__issues.apache.org_jira_browse_CASSANDRA-2D7622&d=DwIFaQ&c=adz96Xi0w1RHqtPMowiL2g&r=VHsWqsWT2MoX5jRZ0xZfdAWZxBsrn5KzowynGYCJaXE&m=Hm3Dmun0qF2plgG5tk2ihs3UcucypmoQY1YEE2vpsuE&s=gMx2_o1_2qTFpyS4Lc_mO0wPNXKRH-gn8vO2bpJr2-o&e=
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Any insights would be helpful.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Thanks!
> > > > >> > > Sagar.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 7:23 AM Jonathan Haddad <
> > j...@jonhaddad.com
> > > >
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > Instead of logging to tables, putting a virtual table around
> > the
> > > > >> audit
> > > > >> > /
> > > > >> > > > query logs might be an option. Same with the commit log for
> > cdc
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 5:25 PM Sagar <
> > sagarmeansoc...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > >> > wrote:
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Thanks all for the pointers. Really insightful.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Subroto I think that’s part of the enterprise version but
> > yeah
> > > > >> even I
> > > > >> > > > have
> > > > >> > > > > seen it. Again not sure of the performance implications.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Sagar.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > On Sat, 2 Mar 2019 at 5:15 AM, Subroto Barua
> > > > >> > > <sbarua...@yahoo.com.invalid
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Datastax version has an option to store audit info to
> > > > >> > > > dse_audit.audit_log
> > > > >> > > > > > table; I do not know the performance impact since I use
> > the
> > > > file
> > > > >> > > option
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Subroto
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > On Mar 1, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Jeremiah D Jordan <
> > > > >> > > > > jeremiah.jor...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > AFAIK the Full Query Logging binary format was already
> > > made
> > > > >> more
> > > > >> > > > > general
> > > > >> > > > > > in order to support using that format for the audit
> > logging.
> > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > -Jeremiah
> > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > >> On Mar 1, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Joshua McKenzie <
> > > > >> > > jmcken...@apache.org>
> > > > >> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > >> Is there a world in which a general purpose,
> > side-channel
> > > > >> file
> > > > >> > > > storage
> > > > >> > > > > > >> format for transient things like this (hints,
> batches,
> > > > audit
> > > > >> > logs,
> > > > >> > > > > etc)
> > > > >> > > > > > >> could be useful as a first class citizen in the
> > codebase?
> > > > >> i.e. a
> > > > >> > > > world
> > > > >> > > > > > in
> > > > >> > > > > > >> which we refactored some of the hints-specific
> > > > reader/writer
> > > > >> > code
> > > > >> > > to
> > > > >> > > > > be
> > > > >> > > > > > >> used for things like this if/when they come up?
> > > > >> > > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 12:04 PM Jonathan Haddad <
> > > > >> > > > j...@jonhaddad.com
> > > > >> > > > > > <mailto:j...@jonhaddad.com>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> Agreed with Dinesh and Josh.  I would *never* put
> the
> > > > audit
> > > > >> log
> > > > >> > > > back
> > > > >> > > > > in
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> Cassandra.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> This is extendable, Sagar, so you're free to do as
> you
> > > > want,
> > > > >> > but
> > > > >> > > > I'm
> > > > >> > > > > > very
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> opposed to putting a ticking time bomb in Cassandra
> > > > proper.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> Jon
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 8:38 AM Dinesh Joshi
> > > > >> > > > > > <djos...@icloud.com.invalid>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> I strongly echo Josh’s sentiment. Imagine losing
> > audit
> > > > >> entries
> > > > >> > > > > > because C*
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> is overloaded? It’s fine if you don’t care about
> > losing
> > > > >> audit
> > > > >> > > > > entries.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> Dinesh
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> On Feb 28, 2019, at 6:41 AM, Joshua McKenzie <
> > > > >> > > > jmcken...@apache.org
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> One of the things we've run into historically, on
> a
> > > > *lot*
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> > > > axes,
> > > > >> > > > > is
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> that
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> "just put it in C*" for various functionality
> looks
> > > > great
> > > > >> > from
> > > > >> > > a
> > > > >> > > > > user
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> and
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> usability perspective, and proves to be something
> > of a
> > > > >> > > nightmare
> > > > >> > > > > from
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> an
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> admin / cluster behavior perspective.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> i.e. - cluster suffering so you're writing hints?
> > > Write
> > > > >> them
> > > > >> > to
> > > > >> > > > C*
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> tables
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> and watch the cluster suffer more! :)
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> Same thing probably holds true for audit logging -
> > at
> > > a
> > > > >> time
> > > > >> > > > frame
> > > > >> > > > > > when
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> things are getting hairy w/a cluster, if you're
> > > writing
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> > > > audit
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> logging
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> into C* proper (and dealing with ser/deser,
> > compaction
> > > > >> > > pressure,
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> flushing
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> pressure, etc) from that, there's a compounding
> > effect
> > > > of
> > > > >> > > > pressure
> > > > >> > > > > > and
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> pain
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> on the cluster.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> So the TL;DR we as a project kind of
> philosophically
> > > > have
> > > > >> > been
> > > > >> > > > > moving
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> towards (I think that's valid to say?) is: use C*
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > >> > > things
> > > > >> > > > > it's
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> absolutely great at, and try to side-channel other
> > > > >> recovery
> > > > >> > > > > > operations
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> as
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> much as you can (see: file-based hints) to stay
> out
> > of
> > > > its
> > > > >> > way.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> Same thing held true w/design of CDC - I debated
> > > > >> "materialize
> > > > >> > > in
> > > > >> > > > > > memory
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> for
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> consumer to take over socket", and "keep the data
> in
> > > > >> another
> > > > >> > C*
> > > > >> > > > > > table",
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> but
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> the ramifications to perf and core I/O operations
> in
> > > C*
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > > moment
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> things
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> start to go badly were significant enough that the
> > > route
> > > > >> we
> > > > >> > > went
> > > > >> > > > > was
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> "do
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> no
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>> harm". For better or for worse, as there's obvious
> > > > >> tradeoffs
> > > > >> > > > there.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 7:46 AM Sagar <
> > > > >> > > > sagarmeansoc...@gmail.com>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks all for the pointers.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> @Joseph,
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> I have gone through the links shared by you.
> Also,
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > >> > been
> > > > >> > > > > > looking
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> at
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> the code base.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> I understand the fact that pushing the logs to ES
> > or
> > > > Solr
> > > > >> > is a
> > > > >> > > > lot
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> easier
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> to do. Having said that, the only reason I
> thought
> > > > having
> > > > >> > > > > something
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> like
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> this might help is, if I don't want to add more
> > > pieces
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > > still
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> provide a
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> central piece of audit logging within Cassandra
> > > itself
> > > > >> and
> > > > >> > > still
> > > > >> > > > > be
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> queryable.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> In terms of usages, one of them could definitely
> be
> > > CDC
> > > > >> > > related
> > > > >> > > > > use
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> cases.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> With data being stored in tables and being
> > queryable,
> > > > it
> > > > >> can
> > > > >> > > > > become
> > > > >> > > > > > a
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> lot
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> more easier to expose this data to external
> systems
> > > > like
> > > > >> > Kafka
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> Connect,
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> Debezium which have the ability to push data to
> > Kafka
> > > > for
> > > > >> > > > example.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> Note
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> that pushing data to Kafka is just an example,
> but
> > > > what I
> > > > >> > mean
> > > > >> > > > is,
> > > > >> > > > > > if
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> we
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> can have data in tables, then instead of everyone
> > > > writing
> > > > >> > > custom
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> custom
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> loggers, they can hook into this table info and
> > take
> > > > >> action.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> Regarding the infinite loop question, I have done
> > > some
> > > > >> > > analysis,
> > > > >> > > > > and
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> in
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> my
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> opinion, instead of tweaking the behaviour of
> > Binlog
> > > > and
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > way
> > > > >> > > > > it
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> functions currently, we can actually spin up
> > another
> > > > >> tailer
> > > > >> > > > thread
> > > > >> > > > > > to
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> same Chronicle Queue which can do the needful.
> This
> > > way
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > > config
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> options
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> etc all remain the same(apart from the logger
> > > > ofcourse).
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> Let me know if any of it makes sense :D
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> Thanks!
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> Sagar.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2019 at 1:09 AM Dinesh Joshi
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> <djos...@icloud.com.invalid
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Joseph Lynch <
> > > > >> > > > > joe.e.ly...@gmail.com
> > > > >> > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Vinay can confirm, but as far as I am aware we
> > have
> > > > no
> > > > >> > > current
> > > > >> > > > > > plans
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> to
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>> implement audit logging to a table directly,
> but
> > > the
> > > > >> > > > > > implementation
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> is
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>> fully pluggable (like compaction, compression,
> > etc
> > > > >> ...).
> > > > >> > > Check
> > > > >> > > > > out
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> the
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> blog
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>> post [1] and documentation [2] Vinay wrote for
> > more
> > > > >> > details,
> > > > >> > > > but
> > > > >> > > > > > the
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> short
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> +1. I am still curious as to why you'd want to
> > store
> > > > >> audit
> > > > >> > > log
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> entries
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> back in Cassandra? Depending on the scale it can
> > > > >> generate a
> > > > >> > > lot
> > > > >> > > > > of
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> load
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>> and
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> I think you'd end up in an infinite loop because
> > as
> > > > >> you're
> > > > >> > > > > > inserting
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> the
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> audit log entry you'll generate a new one and so
> > on
> > > > >> unless
> > > > >> > > you
> > > > >> > > > > > black
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>> list
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> audits to that table / keyspace.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> Ideally you'd insert this data into
> ElasticSearch
> > /
> > > > >> Solr or
> > > > >> > > > some
> > > > >> > > > > > >>> other
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> place that can be then used for analytics or
> > search.
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>> Dinesh
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> >
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> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > >> > > > > > >>>>
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