On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 9:11 PM Ivan Kelly <iv...@apache.org> wrote:

> > If it is client level configuration, in theory it is possible to have
> latest client create v3 ledger while bookies are still running in the older
> version right?
>
> Yes, autorecovery would likely just break in this case.
>
> > If we go with cluster level, I think using it part of LAYOUT_ZNODE is not
> clean.
> > I think we need to have a form of "cluster version number", or even
> better
> with a combination of  capability/feature bit-map which can dictate
> the cluster behavior.
>
> I used the LAYOUT znode because that is what already exists. If we
> create another znode for this, /ledgers/CLUSTER for example, then, for
> consistency, the contents of the layout znode should really be moved
> into this new znode. But this creates a lot more BC issues than just
> using the LAYOUT znode. Old versions of the software ignore anything
> other than the first two lines in LAYOUT. So, it's not clean nor
> ideal, but it does work well within the constraints of BC.
>
> > I am assuming that the tool Ivan is talking about is used for existing
> clusters to update the cluster version number.
> > Otherwise the maxLedgerMetadataFormat is used only for new clusters;
> that is fine.
>
> The maxLedgerMetadataFormat is only written when writing a new LAYOUT
> node, so either during metaformat, or when using the proposed tool.
> When it is absent from the layout node, it defaults to version 2,
> which matches current behaviour.
>
> The important thing for the 4.9 release is that the client can read
> binary metadata, so that in 4.10 or 4.11, if we add a field to the
> metadata, then we are able to use it with 4.9 clients and newer. It is
> only that that point that maxLedgerMetadataFormat comes into play.
>
> So, for the sake of getting 4.9 out the door, I propose that we:
>



> a. Rollback the 2 changes around max metadata format version.
> b. Pin serde to use V2 for now.
> c. Continue this discussion to find the long term solution.
>

+1


>
> -Ivan
>

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