We have introduced customMetadata in the past and that was not mandatory.
How did we make that work with text format?
Also, my preference is to wait until we have a need to introduce a new
field for this conversion if needed.

JV

On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:42 AM, Enrico Olivelli <eolive...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Il giorno lun 30 lug 2018 alle ore 09:17 Ivan Kelly <iv...@apache.org> ha
> scritto:
>
> > >> Thank you for putting this together. It is also good to put this as a
> > BP,
> > >> since it is about the metadata layout.
> >
> > I'll put a BP up this week once I have initial feedback.
> >
> > >> > - When writing a metadata, check what is in /ledgers/LAYOUT. If it
> is
> > >> > as above, write using the current text protobuf. If is bumped, use
> the
> > >> > new binary format.
> > >
> > > isn't it too costly? Adding a zk read for each write. We could add a
> > watch
> > > but is has an important cost
> >
> > This cost can be amortized. In simplest case, we only read when client
> > starts (as already happens). Client are able both read and write the
> > old format, so clients that read the pre-upgrade version will still
> > write in text format, and this is fine.
> >
>
> For me it is fine to read it when client starts. A rolling restart of the
> client application will be enough to load the new configuration.
>
>
> >
> > However, we would want them to eventually see the new format without a
> > restart. At one extreme, we could put a watch on the znode, but this
> > could be quite heavy (I think the only per-client watch we have now is
> > on /ledgers/available). Alternatively, we could just read
> > /ledgers/LAYOUT once per day. This way clients who saw the old version
> > will eventually get updated.
> >
>
> I prefer NOT to use the watch, this cost will be payed forever even when
> there will be no configuration changes.
>
> I would go with the 'load at start' option, it is clear and works fine
>
>
>
> >
> > > What about having a client side config writeMetadataVersion ?
> > > We start a new metadata version, the new one  will be encoded as
> binary.
> > > By default 4.8 clients will use previous version, as we already do for
> > > journal and fileinfo on bookies.
> > >
> > > Each ledger is independent from the others, there is no need of a
> global
> > > flag written on zk.
> >
> > There is a global property here though,which only the administrator
> > can control. It is "Can all clients in the cluster/application read
> > the new ledger metadata version?". This is why I'd like to keep it as
> > a centralized flag rather than allowing each client to decide for
> > themselves.
> >
>
> ok, let's keep it
>
> Enrico
>
>
>
> >
> > > Don't we already have some tool? (Maybe I only have seen such tool in
> my
> > > company applications)
> >
> > It may already exist, I haven't checked.
> >
> > -Ivan
> >
>



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