For context - an approach to extension types was proposed to Parquet in the
past [1][2] but was met with opposition because it was somewhat duplicating
logical types and not really reducing the cost of specifying types
(consensus building).

I like Weston's proposal too, but I am not sure the Parquet community wants
to deal with blessing individual extension types. What we could propose is
that Parquet specifies how Arrow-compatible extension types serialize into
Parquet metadata. This would enable third party extension types and if
those show enough potential Parquet might canonicalize the popular ones. I
have a vague plan to raise such a proposal soon.

Regarding the ongoing vote in this thread and Mandy's proposal, should we
put it on hold until we agree on this or continue with the vote?

[1] https://github.com/apache/parquet-format/pull/451
[2] https://github.com/rok/parquet-format/pull/5

Best,
Rok

On Mon, Nov 9, 2026 at 10:08 AM Zehua Zou <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Should we initiate a discussion on the Parquet mailing list?
>
> Regards
>
> Zehua Zou
>
> > On Nov 9, 2026, at 16:22, Antoine Pitrou <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have roughly the same position as Weston here.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Antoine.
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 09/11/2026 à 06:04, Weston Pace a écrit :
> >>> Are you saying there should be super-project canonical extension
> types? :)
> >> No.  I am suggesting the Parquet PMC publish an extension-types.md
> document
> >> in [1] that describes what the extension type definitions are.  This
> would
> >> be exactly like [2].  This lets the Parquet team bless whatever
> >> unambiguous definition they like.  Anyone wanting to consume custom
> Parquet
> >> types must use those definitions.  The Parquet team is then in complete
> >> control and doesn't need to seek the Arrow team's blessing.  The Arrow
> team
> >> can then create a link back to that document in [3] in much the same
> way we
> >> do for GeoArrow.
> >> For example, the Substrait type system does not name all Arrow types.
> in
> >> Arrow, we publish [4] which describes Substrait extension types to map
> to
> >> the existing Arrow types.
> >> Or, as another example, Lance's blob type is an Arrow extension type
> >> defined in [5].  Consumers of Lance custom types consult the Lance spec
> for
> >> those types' definitions.
> >>> Similarily, I was thinking of adding more canonical Parquet extension
> >>> types like GEOMETRY and GEOGRAPHY because I found it really tricky
> >>> when implementing Iceberg V3 types in iceberg-cpp where GeoArrow type
> >>> were not an option.
> >> If Iceberg has its own set of types (separate from Parquet and GeoArrow)
> >> then Iceberg can also maintain an extension-types.md document right?
> >> [1] https://github.com/apache/parquet-format/
> >> [2] https://github.com/geoarrow/geoarrow/blob/main/extension-types.md
> >> [3]
> >>
> https://arrow.apache.org/docs/format/CanonicalExtensions.html#community-extension-types
> >> [4]
> >>
> https://github.com/apache/arrow/blob/main/format/substrait/extension_types.yaml
> >> [5]
> >>
> https://github.com/lance-format/lance/blob/main/docs/src/format/table/blob.md#table-schema
> >> On Sat, Nov 7, 2026 at 7:00 AM Rok Mihevc <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>> Thanks for the discussion Weston and Gang!
> >>>
> >>>> I also somewhat disagree with this characterization.  As long as the
> >>>> producer and consumer agree on the type then there is no need for
> every
> >>>> middleman (or even Arrow itself) to be aware of it.  That's the entire
> >>> goal
> >>>> of extension types.  IPC streams, the C data interface, Arrow flight,
> and
> >>>> language bindings should all respect existing metadata and should
> _not_
> >>>> strip it out, even if they don't recognize it.
> >>>
> >>> This is a great point and it's ideally how things should work. Now how
> do
> >>> we get there? Should Parquet readers that output Arrow map Parquet
> logical
> >>> types into "parquet.<logical_type>" extension types? If this requires
> >>> non-trivial logic, to make the mapping unambiguous, are we implicitly
> >>> specifying extension types at the conversion layer?
> >>>
> >>>> and so I will turn my vote into a +1 if needed for passage.  Otherwise
> >>> I'll
> >>>> leave it as a half vote to discourage Arrow taking on the mantle of
> >>>> blessing another format's types.
> >>>
> >>> Are you saying there should be super-project canonical extension
> types? :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>> Rok
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2026 at 2:57 AM Gang Wu <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Thanks Weston for raising this! I have a different opinion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Canonical extension type for Parquet types like VARIANT、FILE and
> future
> >>>> VECTOR brings better interoperability to different Parquet bindings in
> >>>> Arrow. AFAIK, it would be a headache if different bindings define
> their
> >>>> own custom extensions then we end up with different interpretations of
> >>>> ARROW:schema serialization across bindings.
> >>>>
> >>>> Similarily, I was thinking of adding more canonical Parquet extension
> >>>> types like GEOMETRY and GEOGRAPHY because I found it really tricky
> >>>> when implementing Iceberg V3 types in iceberg-cpp where GeoArrow type
> >>>> were not an option.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Nov 7, 2026 at 6:38 AM Weston Pace <[email protected]>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> +0.5
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I guess I'm a bit late to the party since we already have
> >>>>> arrow.parquet.variant but it feels like parquet-specific types would
> >>> just
> >>>>> fit the definition for community extension types[1].  In other words,
> >>>>> Parquet is free to define whatever extension types they want and
> there
> >>> is
> >>>>> no need for Arrow PMC approval in the same way that GeoArrow is free
> to
> >>>>> define whatever extension types they want.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> To ensure full interoperability, Arrow requires a matching canonical
> >>>>>> in-memory extension type so that file fields do not lose their
> >>>>>> semantic metadata during serialization across IPC streams, the C
> >>>>>> Data Interface, Arrow Flight, and language bindings.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also somewhat disagree with this characterization.  As long as the
> >>>>> producer and consumer agree on the type then there is no need for
> every
> >>>>> middleman (or even Arrow itself) to be aware of it.  That's the
> entire
> >>>> goal
> >>>>> of extension types.  IPC streams, the C data interface, Arrow flight,
> >>> and
> >>>>> language bindings should all respect existing metadata and should
> _not_
> >>>>> strip it out, even if they don't recognize it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That being said, I am happy for someone (even if it is Arrow and not
> >>>>> Parquet) to bless a canonical extension type for any Parquet-specific
> >>>> types
> >>>>> and so I will turn my vote into a +1 if needed for passage.
> Otherwise
> >>>> I'll
> >>>>> leave it as a half vote to discourage Arrow taking on the mantle of
> >>>>> blessing another format's types.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> https://arrow.apache.org/docs/format/CanonicalExtensions.html#community-extension-types
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2026 at 11:36 AM Mandukhai Alimaa <
> >>>>> [email protected]>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The FILE column type is being adopted across Parquet, Delta Lake,
> >>>>>> Apache Iceberg, and Apache Spark so the broader ecosystem can
> >>> natively
> >>>>>> leverage structured file-level references. To ensure full
> >>>>>> interoperability, Arrow requires a matching canonical in-memory
> >>>>>> extension type so that file fields do not lose their semantic
> >>> metadata
> >>>>>> during serialization across IPC streams, the C Data Interface, Arrow
> >>>>>> Flight, and language bindings.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Following up on the discussion thread [1] and the subsequent format
> >>>>>> change PR [2], we (@rok and I) would like to propose a formal vote
> to
> >>>>>> add arrow.parquet.file as a canonical extension type to the Apache
> >>>>>> Arrow format specification. This proposal already had reviews from
> >>>>>> four different committers on GitHub and closely matches the Parquet
> >>>>>> file logical type.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/5qw2k7rwstk0ol9ymds5qym81myznmpl
> >>>>>> [2] https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/51248
> >>>>>> [3] GitHub Issue: https://github.com/apache/arrow/issues/51143
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The vote will be open for at least 72 hours.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please cast your vote:
> >>>>>> [ ] +1 Accept this proposal
> >>>>>> [ ] +0
> >>>>>> [ ] -1 Do not accept this proposal because...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

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