On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 12:24 AM Micah Kornfield <emkornfi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Re now vs Feb 17: I'm totally open to either. In general, I'm a do it now > > kind of person so if others think a slightly longer tenure sounds good, we > > could do it now. > > This makes sense to me as well, we can align on Feb 17th the next time > around. > > Per my comments elsewhere, I'd like to nominate Wes to be the next chair. > > +1 if he is willing.
I'd be happy to serve -- in practice I've been helping put together the quarterly board reports. > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 1:36 PM Jacques Nadeau <jacq...@apache.org> wrote: > > > I'm super supportive of this, Julian. Thanks for bringing it up. > > > > Unlike some leaders, I'm even happy to guarantee a peaceful transition of > > power! > > > > Re now vs Feb 17: I'm totally open to either. In general, I'm a do it now > > kind of person so if others think a slightly longer tenure sounds good, we > > could do it now. > > > > Per my comments elsewhere, I'd like to nominate Wes to be the next chair. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 11:39 AM Julian Hyde <jhyde.apa...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Feb 17 as a term end date sounds good. > > > > > > We don’t necessarily have to wait until Feb 17. If we want to move on > > this > > > sooner, the next Chair could serve a slightly longer term, ending on Feb > > 17 > > > 2022. > > > > > > > On Sep 29, 2020, at 11:25 AM, Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > This sounds reasonable to me. We are approaching our 5 year > > > > anniversary as an Apache project (on February 17, 2021) and I have > > > > thought that it would make sense to rotate PMC chairs at some point, > > > > but making it an annual thing makes things even simpler. > > > > > > > > For what it's worth, in this project the PMC chair (Jacques) has > > > > mainly only had to exercise the unique responsibilities of the role in > > > > the submission of board reports and in giving PMC karma to new PMC > > > > members. There have been a handful of instances where the PMC has > > > > engaged with the board beyond our routine reports over certain > > > > matters, but overall IMHO we've had a generally healthy dynamic in our > > > > governance. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 2:12 AM Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> There has been some discussion in the Arrow PMC about rotating the PMC > > > >> Chair (also known as the project VP) every year. I wanted to raise the > > > >> topic here for discussion among Arrow committers and within the > > > >> broader Arrow community. > > > >> > > > >> Quite a few Apache projects have adopted a policy where they choose a > > > >> new Chair on a regular basis. This has several advantages. First, it > > > >> helps avoid the perception that the project has a BDFL [1]. Second, it > > > >> broadens the skills of the people in the project, exposing them to the > > > >> workings of the Apache Board. Third, it can drive cultural change in > > > >> the project, because different leaders have different styles. > > > >> > > > >> To be clear, a PMC Chair has very little actual power. Their main role > > > >> is to keep the Board informed, by submitting quarterly reports. > > > >> Decisions are made by the PMC, and the Chair's vote has no more power > > > >> than any other vote. But the perception is that the Chair speaks with > > > >> authority and sets the agenda, and perception tends to become reality. > > > >> > > > >> In Calcite, for example, we have adopted a policy (without writing it > > > >> down as bylaws) where we choose a new Chair around the project's > > > >> anniversary, in October every year. Around the same time, the Chair > > > >> starts a “State of the Project" discussion thread where we discuss the > > > >> challenges and opportunities for the project. It has worked extremely > > > >> well. We now have 5 current and former chairs, all of whom are active > > > >> in the project, and all of whom can speak authoritatively for the > > > >> project as "Former PMC chair, Apache Calcite”. > > > >> > > > >> I think such a scheme would be of benefit to Arrow. What do you all > > > think? > > > >> > > > >> Julian > > > >> > > > >> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benevolent_dictator_for_life > > > > > > > >
