Yes you should still be able to comment. I will reopen the PR after it is
merged

On Sat, May 23, 2020, 2:52 PM Micah Kornfield <emkornfi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Wes,
> Will we still be able to comment on the PR once it is closed?
>
>
> If we want to be inclusive on feedback it might pay to wait until Tuesday
> evening US time to merge since it is a long weekend here.
>
> Thanks,
> Micah
>
> On Saturday, May 23, 2020, Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks -- I've addressed a good deal of feedback and added a lot of
>> comments and with Kou's help have got the build passing, It would be
>> great if this could be merged soon to unblock follow up PRs
>>
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 11:55 PM Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I just opened the PR https://github.com/apache/arrow/pull/7240
>> >
>> > I'm sorry it's so big. I really think this is the best way. The only
>> > further work I plan to do on it is to get the CI passing.
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:26 PM Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I'd guess I'm < 24 hours away from putting up my initial PR for this
>> > > work. Since the work is large and (for all practical purposes) nearly
>> > > impossible to separate into separately merge-ready PRs, I'll start a
>> > > new e-mail thread describing what I've done in more detail and
>> > > proposing a path for merging the PR (so as to unblock PRs into
>> > > arrow/compute and avoid rebasing headaches) and addressing review
>> > > feedback that will likely take several weeks to fully accumulate.
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:17 PM Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm working actively on this but perhaps as expected it has
>> ballooned
>> > > > into a very large project -- it's unclear at the moment whether I'll
>> > > > be able to break the work into smaller patches that are easier to
>> > > > digest. I'm working as fast as I can to have an initial
>> > > > feature-preserving PR up, but the changes to the src/arrow/compute
>> > > > directory are extensive, so I would please ask that we do not merge
>> > > > non-essential patches into cpp/src/arrow/compute until I get the PR
>> up
>> > > > (estimated later this week at present rate) so we can see where
>> things
>> > > > stand.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:06 AM Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:41 AM Micah Kornfield <
>> emkornfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi Wes,
>> > > > > > I haven't had time to read the doc, but wanted to ask some
>> questions on
>> > > > > > points raised on the thread.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > * For efficiency, kernels used for array-expr evaluation should
>> write
>> > > > > > > into preallocated memory as their default mode. This enables
>> the
>> > > > > > > interpreter to avoid temporary memory allocations and improve
>> CPU
>> > > > > > > cache utilization. Almost none of our kernels are implemented
>> this way
>> > > > > > > currently.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Did something change, I was pretty sure I submitted a patch a
>> while ago for
>> > > > > > boolean kernels, that separated out memory allocation from
>> computation.
>> > > > > > Which should allow for writing to the same memory.  Is this a
>> concern with
>> > > > > > the public Function APIs for the Kernel APIs themselves, or a
>> lower level
>> > > > > > implementation concern?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Yes, you did in the internal implementation [1]. The concern is
>> the
>> > > > > public API and the general approach to implementing new kernels.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I'm working on this right now (it's a large project so it will
>> take me
>> > > > > a little while to produce something to be reviewed) so bear with
>> me =)
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [1]:
>> https://github.com/apache/arrow/commit/4910fbf4fda05b864daaba820db08291e4afdcb6#diff-561ea05d36150eb15842f452e3f07c76
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > * Sorting is generally handled by different data processing
>> nodes from
>> > > > > > > Projections, Aggregations / Hash Aggregations, Filters, and
>> Joins.
>> > > > > > > Projections and Filters use expressions, they do not sort.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Would sorting the list-column elements per row be an array-expr?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Yes, as that's an element-wise function. When I said sorting I was
>> > > > > referring to ORDER BY. The functions we have that do sorting do
>> so in
>> > > > > the context of a single array [2].
>> > > > >
>> > > > > A query engine must be able to sort a (potentially very large)
>> stream
>> > > > > of record batches. One approach is for the Sort operator to
>> exhaust
>> > > > > its child input, accumulating all of the record batches in memory
>> > > > > (spilling to disk as needed) and then sorting and emitting record
>> > > > > batches from the sorted records/tuples. See e.g. Impala's sorting
>> code
>> > > > > [3] [4]
>> > > > >
>> > > > > [2]:
>> https://github.com/apache/arrow/blob/master/cpp/src/arrow/compute/kernels/sort_to_indices.h#L34
>> > > > > [3]:
>> https://github.com/apache/impala/blob/master/be/src/runtime/sorter.h
>> > > > > [4]:
>> https://github.com/apache/impala/blob/master/be/src/exec/sort-node.h
>> > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:35 AM Wes McKinney <
>> wesmck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 7:32 AM Antoine Pitrou <
>> anto...@python.org> wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Le 21/04/2020 à 13:53, Wes McKinney a écrit :
>> > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > >> That said, in the SortToIndices case, this wouldn't be a
>> problem,
>> > > > > > > since
>> > > > > > > > >> only the second pass writes to the output.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > This kernel is not valid for normal array-exprs (see the
>> spreadsheet I
>> > > > > > > > > linked), such as what you can write in SQL
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Kernels like SortToIndices are a different type of
>> function (in other
>> > > > > > > > > words, "not a SQL function") and so if we choose to allow
>> such a
>> > > > > > > > > "non-SQL-like" functions in the expression evaluator then
>> different
>> > > > > > > > > logic must be used.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Hmm, I think that maybe I'm misunderstanding at which level
>> we're
>> > > > > > > > talking here.  SortToIndices() may not be a "SQL function",
>> but it looks
>> > > > > > > > like an important basic block for a query engine (since,
>> after all,
>> > > > > > > > sorting results is an often used feature in SQL and other
>> languages).
>> > > > > > > > So it should be usable *inside* the expression engine, even
>> though it's
>> > > > > > > > not part of the exposed vocabulary, no?
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > No, not as part of "expressions" as they are defined in the
>> context of
>> > > > > > > SQL engines.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Sorting is generally handled by different data processing
>> nodes from
>> > > > > > > Projections, Aggregations / Hash Aggregations, Filters, and
>> Joins.
>> > > > > > > Projections and Filters use expressions, they do not sort.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Regards
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Antoine.
>> > > > > > >
>>
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