I am OK with that, but if we find ourselves making compromises that
affect performance or memory efficiency (where possibly invasive
refactoring may be required) perhaps we should reconsider option #3.

On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 11:29 AM Uwe L. Korn <uw...@xhochy.com> wrote:
>
> I'm leaning a bit towards 1) but I would love to get some input from the Avro 
> community as 1) depends also on their side as we will submit some patches 
> upstream that need to be reviewed and someday also released.
>
> Are AVRO committers subscribed here or should we reach out to them on their 
> ML? Given that we are quite active in the C++ space currently, I feel that we 
> can contribute quite some infrastructure in building and packaging that we do 
> eitherway for Arrow. This might be quite helpful for a project. We have seen 
> with Parquet where much of the development is just happening as it is part of 
> Arrow. (Not suggesting to merge/fork the Avro codebase but just to apply some 
> of the  best practices we learned while building Arrow).
>
> Uwe
>
> On Tue, Mar 5, 2019, at 4:57 PM, Wes McKinney wrote:
> > I'd be +0.5 in favor of forking in this particular case. Since Avro is
> > not vectorized (unlike Parquet and ORC) I suspect it may be more
> > difficult to get the best performance using a general purpose API
> > versus one that is more specialized to producing Arrow record batches.
> > Given that has been relatively light C++ development activity in
> > Apache Avro and no releases for 2 years it does give me pause.
> >
> > We might want to look at Impala's Avro scanner, they are doing some
> > LLVM IR cross-compilation also (they're using the Avro C++ library
> > though)
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/impala/blob/master/be/src/exec/hdfs-avro-scanner-ir.cc
> > https://github.com/apache/impala/blob/master/be/src/exec/hdfs-avro-scanner.cc
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:01 AM Micah Kornfield <emkornfi...@gmail.com> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm looking at incorporating Avro in Arrow C++ [1]. It  seems that the 
> > > Avro
> > > C++ library APIs  have improved from the last release.  However, it is not
> > > clear when a new release will be available (I asked on the  JIRA Item for
> > > the next release [2] and received no response).
> > >
> > > I was wondering if there is a policy governing using other Apache projects
> > > or how people felt about the following options:
> > > 1.  Depend on a specific git commit through the third-party library 
> > > system.
> > > 2.  Copy the necessary source code temporarily to our project, and change
> > > to using the next release when it is available.
> > > 3.  Fork the code we need (the main benefit I see here is being able to
> > > refactor it to avoid having to deal with exceptions, easier integration
> > > with our IO system and one less 3rd party dependency to deal with).
> > > 4.  Wait on the 1.9 release before proceeding.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Micah
> > >
> > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ARROW-1209
> > > [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AVRO-2250
> >

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