It might be nice to have the discourse option before shutting it down. As someone who asks, that would be a nice way to get me to migrate
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 10:53 AM, Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com> wrote: > hi folks, > > How would you like to proceed on the Slack channel discussion? It > seems there is reasonable consensus to close the channel. Should we > have a vote? > > It would be a good idea to export the data / chat history from the > channel before closing it down. > > Thanks > Wes > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:36 PM, Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > It's sort of unrelated to this conversation, but since someone > > mentioned MXNet I want to call attention to a thread on their podling > > mailing list about JIRA vs. GitHub issues: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/b4d174223d68c5822ea538f2609281 > c8023c7cc1eaef298bb2c4c186@%3Cdev.mxnet.apache.org%3E. > > > > To summarize the thread: a lot of people don't like change, but > > sometimes change is good. Some people have complained privately to me > > that Arrow doesn't work like any other random project on GitHub. > > Anyone who doesn't contribute to the project on account of that is, > > IMHO, not a serious contributor. > > > > I personally find JIRA to be an excellent tool, but it's a steeper > > learning curve than GitHub and so it does take a bit of effort to > > learn its features. > > > > - Wes > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 11:05 PM, Wes McKinney <wesmck...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks all. I'm intrigued by Discourse (for some reason I keep typing > >> "discourge.org"); we should inquire with ASF infra to see if they > >> would be willing to support it for us. It's important that we develop > >> a public record for the project, and for that data to be archived and > >> indexed in some place that is owned by the ASF. I'm frankly -0 on > >> having a fourth communication channel (outside of e-mail/JIRA/GitHub) > >> since three is already a lot to keep track of. If we had a larger > >> maintainer team, I might feel differently. > >> > >> Travis had some questions about GitHub and JIRA. JIRA is the only > >> system of record for concrete development activity in the project. We > >> use GitHub pull requests to submit patches (some projects use Gerrit, > >> or attach patch files to JIRA), but all of the data generated on these > >> PRs (code review comments, etc.) is mirrored back to JIRA. > >> Furthermore, JIRA activity is relayed to the iss...@arrow.apache.org > >> mailing list. So ultimately we have a public record for the project on > >> mailing lists. > >> > >> Many newcomers have never interacted with an Apache project before, > >> and so when they go to http://github.com/apache/arrow their first > >> reaction is to look for the Issues tab to report a bug or ask for > >> something. For a long time we didn't have issues turned on, and we > >> found that people were "bouncing" rather than seeking out the mailing > >> list or JIRA. We'd rather capture the information somewhere rather > >> than lose it. We have an issue template asking people to either use > >> the mailing list or JIRA, but a lot of people ignore it unfortunately: > >> https://github.com/apache/arrow/blob/master/.github/ISSUE_TEMPLATE.md. > >> > >> - Wes > >> > >> On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Kenta Murata <mura...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> Hi everyone, > >>> > >>> I heard from Kou that you’re discussing to stop using Slack. > >>> So I want to propose another way to use Discourse. > >>> > >>> On 2018/06/21 18:46:54, Dhruv Madeka <m...@nyu.edu> wrote: > >>>> The issue with discourse is that you either have to host it or pay > for them > >>>> to host it > >>> > >>> Discourse provides free hosting plan for community friendly opensource > projects. > >>> See this article for the details: > >>> <https://blog.discourse.org/2016/03/free-discourse-forum- > hosting-for-community-friendly-github-projects/> > >>> > >>>> but still +1 for discourse, its a really nice format (I actually > +1'ed the > >>>> PyTorch forum on this thread too) > >>> > >>> I’m also +1 for discourse because I’m managing > https://discourse.ruby-data.org/ by this plan. > >>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Kenta Murata >
