> So every concrete simple target like <target name="foo" depends="bar,
> baz" /> became
> 
> <target name="foo" depends="bar, baz, -pre-foo, -foo, -post-foo" />
> <target name="-foo" > ... </target>
> <target name="-pre-foo" />
> <target name="-post-foo" />

This looks pretty ugly this me!

I believe that this whole discussion focusses too much on targets 
instead of macros. Macros are a very powerfull feature and they
deserve much more attention!

Why not simply:

<!-- === framework === -->
<target name="foo" depends="bar,baz" description="public foo target">
  <foo /> 
</target>

<macrodef name="foo" >
  <sequential>
    <!-- to the foo thing -->
  </sequential>
</macrodef>


If a user then really need to override "foo", he or she would simply
write in build.xml something like


<macrodef name="foo">
  <sequential>
    <echo> before original foo ..</echo>
 
    <c:foo />       <!-- assume framework in NS "c" />

    <echo> after original foo .. </echo>
  </sequential>
</macrodef> 


Notice that I'm only using the name "foo" and not "-post-foo" and all 
your other names.


Regards,

Wolfgang Häfelinger
Research & Architecture | Dir. 2.7.0.2
European Patent Office
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On 1/14/08, Stefan Bodewig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Dominique Devienne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Having something like before/after/around advices (where around is the
> same as an override that doesn't change the dependencies list) may
> suffice and leave overwriting the whole target definition to the worst
> case.

Thanks for reminding me of this issue Stefan. Indeed, something I
really didn't like about overriding the whole target, is that you had
to duplicate the dependency list as well...

Which is why I now remember that I now remember I used 4, not 3
targets, in the "abstract" build, the forth one being the target's own
content, separate from its dependency list:

So every concrete simple target like <target name="foo" depends="bar,
baz" /> became

<target name="foo" depends="bar, baz, -pre-foo, -foo, -post-foo" />
<target name="-foo" > ... </target>
<target name="-pre-foo" />
<target name="-post-foo" />

in the "abstract" build. Override -foo to replace just the target
content, without it's dependency list. Or override foo to have
complete control, but in my experience it's -foo that needed
overriding, not foo.

Note though that unlike before and after, around isn't as
representative a name. When I thought about this issue a while back, I
thought of using a magic name such as "super" in the depends attribute
to refer to the overridden target's dependency list, similar to using
<super/> in the target's body to refer to the overridden target's task
list/content. --DD

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