On 9/25/06, Stefan Bodewig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Mon, 25 Sep 2006, Peter Reilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 9/25/06, Stefan Bodewig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2006, Peter Reilly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I propose that we defer handing id's until the processing
>> > stage.
>>
>> Will probably break something like

[...]

>> which is copied straight from the examples for <script> in the Ant
>> manual for version 1.6.5.
>
> Yep, this is correct ;-) , I have removed the example from the
> documentation.

I've seen that 8-)

>> I.e. it breaks something that was documented to work before.  One
>> could even assume it was a best practice, given it was used in the
>> manual.
>
> Yep, one may assume it was best practice, but it is not!

Never claimed it was.

>> This example predates Ant 1.2 IIRC.
>
> I know, that is why I have raises the reference deferral
> as a issue.
>
> I really cannot see the use-case described by the example.
> I would not think that there are any examples in the "wild".

You've identified two cases in Ant's tests yourself.


I meant the use-case of script tasks getting tasks in
other targets, modifying them and then executing them.

The two cases in ant's tests do give me pause for
thought, but I feel on balance that they work on
the anti-pattern of "it works by accident" and thus
are very brittle. One checked  the contents of a reference to a fileset
defined in another target as a nested element. It took
me a long time to figure out why it worked at all.

I feel uncomfortable about changing this, even though you are probably
right that it it should better be changed.


I am uncomfortable as well, but I think that this change will
stop a lot of strange bug reports and will allow some interesting
uses of references.

Peter

Stefan

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