And yes Ash -> ruff rule it is to ban "providers" imports
https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/46801 (and it found two places where
they were still used)

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 12:35 PM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:

> And merged! that was fast. Thanks Bugra, Ash, Jens !
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 11:40 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>
>> https://github.com/apache/airflow/pull/46800 -> there you go :) . Happy
>> reviewing of 1570+ files changed.
>>
>> BTW. It's way easier to review it with `git diff` than with Github UI :)
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 11:32 AM Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Naaa. that one is super easy to implement and automate and it's better
>>> to have one quick "surgical" cut to rename all of those :), I am about to
>>> send PR with all of those changes in a moment.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 11:26 AM Buğra Öztürk <ozturkbugr...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Amazing!:) Maybe we can divide and conquer this on structure changes and
>>>> pre-commit rather than leaving you with all :)
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 16 Feb 2025, 10:45 Jarek Potiuk, <ja...@potiuk.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Yeah "unit" seems to be the way to go :) . I will make another giant
>>>> PR
>>>> > (but this time it should be even easier to review) to convert to it :)
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 10:41 AM Buğra Öztürk <
>>>> ozturkbugr...@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > Thanks for all the effort on this! It looks great!
>>>> > > - The approach looks great!
>>>> > > - Heavy plus one on this. The pre-commit should be one of the ground
>>>> > > pillars of any standardisation. Having an extra file structure check
>>>> > could
>>>> > > be included too on top of `from` to eliminate new providers to
>>>> follow the
>>>> > > consistent structure.
>>>> > > - I like the unit too over provider_tests. It is a great idea to
>>>> > eliminate
>>>> > > ambiguity. The other parts seem pretty pretty good.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Along with the latest improvements, these will be great additions!
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 4:15 AM Rahul Vats <rah.sharm...@gmail.com>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > > Thanks for the detailed explanation and for driving this effort—it
>>>> > looks
>>>> > > > like a solid improvement.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >    1.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >    I love the approach & new structure. I can't think of a better
>>>> > > approach.
>>>> > > >    2.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >    I agree that adding a pre-commit check to enforce consistent
>>>> imports
>>>> > > is
>>>> > > >    a good idea. It will help maintain the new structure and
>>>> prevent
>>>> > > >    regressions.
>>>> > > >    3.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >    For the naming, I’d prefer using unit instead of
>>>> provider_tests to
>>>> > > keep
>>>> > > >    it more intuitive and consistent with system and integration.
>>>> This
>>>> > > makes
>>>> > > >    the structure self-explanatory and easier for new contributors.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Regards,
>>>> > > > Rahul Vats
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 at 03:50, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > > 2) no real opinion, seems useful. Let’s see if we can do it
>>>> with a
>>>> > > ruff
>>>> > > > > rule first? It _might_ be possible. (It is possible to extend
>>>> the
>>>> > ruff
>>>> > > > > rules on a per subproject basis, check out
>>>> task_sdk/pyproject.toml)
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I am not sure if we need ruff rule for it, as we have not yet
>>>> enabled
>>>> > > any
>>>> > > > > `ruff` airflow rules in airflow development (it is targeted so
>>>> far
>>>> > for
>>>> > > > > users writing DAGs}
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I think it's more "airflow internal" rule not something that
>>>> can be
>>>> > > used
>>>> > > > > for general audience (which is pretty-much what ruff rules are
>>>> about)
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Unfortunately - the current way ruff works does not allow local
>>>> > > > > "plugin" functionality to add new rules that would only be
>>>> applicable
>>>> > > to
>>>> > > > > the current project you are in. In the absence of that feature,
>>>> > having
>>>> > > a
>>>> > > > > python pre-commit seem the next-best thing.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > J.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 10:50 PM Ash Berlin-Taylor <
>>>> a...@apache.org>
>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > 100%. It’s on my list to tackle very soon, it can’t get put
>>>> off
>>>> > much
>>>> > > > > > longer.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > I have some thoughts (around back compat mostly) but they
>>>> aren’t
>>>> > > > > collected
>>>> > > > > > yet, and I won’t derail this thread.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > On 15 Feb 2025, at 21:43, Jarek Potiuk <ja...@potiuk.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > cc: @ashb @uranusjr @kaxil -> something for consideration
>>>> in our
>>>> > > > > > > discussions on how to repackage airlfow soon. I keep on
>>>> > explaining
>>>> > > > why
>>>> > > > > > > running code in airflow.__init__.py is a bad idea and
>>>> advocating
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > > > > > removal of it and replace it with explicit initialization,
>>>> yet
>>>> > that
>>>> > > > > topic
>>>> > > > > > > have not been discussed yet, but I will plan to start a
>>>> > discussion
>>>> > > > > about
>>>> > > > > > it
>>>> > > > > > > soon once we approach the packaging subject. I am not sure
>>>> what's
>>>> > > > your
>>>> > > > > > > thinking is about this - I know you spent consirderable
>>>> amount of
>>>> > > > time
>>>> > > > > on
>>>> > > > > > > doing all the "lazy initalization" dance all over the
>>>> places,
>>>> > and I
>>>> > > > > think
>>>> > > > > > > it adds a lot of complexity to our code and only partially
>>>> solves
>>>> > > the
>>>> > > > > > > cicular imports problem. But I know @ashb has very strong
>>>> feeling
>>>> > > > about
>>>> > > > > > > being able to do "from airlfow import Dag" - which more or
>>>> less
>>>> > > > > requires
>>>> > > > > > > all this complexity. I just don't think it's worth it.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > Bugra Ozturk
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>

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