>On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Lars Hansen <lhan...@mozilla.com> wrote:
>
>> even if I don't exactly remember the ID I'm looking for I can narrow
>> it down to one or two tabs and then hover if I need to.
>>
>> Many other sites also have tabs that can be distinguished
>> from the first few letters - if you can see them.​  (Too many do not.)
>> Indeed now that I have this pref to play with I have set it to 200 and this
>> seems even better.
>
>​I certainly feel your pain wrt bugzilla tabs​, but outside our community's
>unique intense use-case it's not that common amongst release users (see
>stats given earlier about high percentages with < 10 and < 20 tabs).

I don't know about you, but a common case for me is go-to-news-site,
open-N-articles-in-tabs, read-articles (maybe ;-) ).  Probably learned
that in the days of less bandwidth; stuff can pull down in the
background.  Saves a lot of go-back,
wait-for-page-to-load/render/scroll/etc.

For that usage, I need at least a word or so of the title - N tabs
together with the same favicon.  Current width mostly works for this.

I find (perhaps because I'm a mozilla user, and a tab-hoarder) that
Chrome's UI is DREADFUL for anyone with lots of tabs - and probably
intentionally to push users into closing them, since large numbers of
tabs simply doesn't work as well in Chrome as in Firefox.  So mimicing
their behavior is NOT a good idea, IMHO.

I totally hate the favicon-only view I'm seeing now.  it's miserable.
If I were a user, and didn't know about the hidden pref, I'd downgrade,
and if it wasn't fixed soon I'd look for another browser (or some
extension).  That's how bad it is.

That said: there are other solutions possible.  There's the infamous
"Add something to user Preferences".  There's "publish an extension that
lets you fiddle the width" (doable today).  You could put it on the
right-mouse-button on the bar.  etc.  Or... you could do some sort of
apple-dock-like "tabs (in the bar) expand as you move the mouse
over/near them", which allows much better "Find the tab I want" than
narrow tabs, and even better than 110px/etc because you can see more/all
the title without having to wait for a hover to take hold (and you could
see more of the ones near the mouse, probably.

Of course, that's a lot easier said than done. :-)

>Better still would be making vertical tabs a selectable option in
>about:preferences as a common (and unique to Firefox[1]) power-user option
>rather than making us find and install an add-on.

Yes!

>> I feel that the many-tabs use case is treated as a stepchild in
>> Firefox.​
>>
>> Notably the drag-to-reorganize scheme does not work well for many
>> tabs; a tab pane a la what tabgroups had would be superior.
>
>​Completely agree. Even if we don't support "groups"​ of hidden tabs, the
>tableau visualization was great for managing overstuffed windows and
>quickly culling the tabs spawned during some now-complete task or research.

yes!  I actually often cull tabs from session-restore (vertical list
with titles!) or from about:tabs (Tab-stats extension, now broken -- Glandium!?)

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Randell Jesup, Mozilla Corp
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