Hey Ryan, Would you mind recapping what approach 3b is? I see an approach 3a earlier in the thread, but must have missed the 3b discussion.
Cheers, Jared On Aug 26, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Ryan Feeley <[email protected]> wrote: > Good news, just meeting with Urmika now and approach #3b is a go! Only detail > is that we only allow birthyear choice once, so users will have to choose > carefully. > > Ryan Feeley > UX, Cloud Services > Mozilla UX > IRC: rfeeley > > On Aug 20, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Chris Karlof <[email protected]> wrote: > >> As FxA expands to other services, it is probably good time to revisit this. >> Here’s the current plan: >> >> 1) Ryan is going to talk with Mika on the legality of approach #3. >> 2) After 1), we’ll explore implementation strategies on all our platforms. >> >> -chris >> >> On Aug 20, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Peter deHaan <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Clearly #1 is the best solution. >>> >>> Why? input type=date >>> >>> On my Flame and iPhone, it displays a handy spinner wheel which makes >>> year/month/day input silly fast >>> (http://www.w3schools.com/html/tryit.asp?filename=tryhtml5_input_type_date >>> -- sadly w3schools was the only half decent docs i found with an example). >>> I don't have my Nexus 4 handy to see how Android Chrome and Android Firefox >>> currently treat that input type though. >>> On the downside, desktop browser support is probably poor and i'm not sure >>> how we could easily switch to some jQuery calendar solution or fall back to >>> something else. http://caniuse.com/#feat=input-datetime >>> >>> -peter >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Karl Thiessen" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 7:58:20 AM >>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >>> >>> I think Greg puts it succinctly; I am quite firmly in this camp. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> --KT. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Greg Norcie" <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 2:15:51 PM >>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >>> >>> I don't know if anyone on this list had the dubious pleasure of being a >>> tween under COPPA, but it was quite annoying. If I wanted to say, sign >>> up for say, a Debian discussion forum, I had to lie about my age. I >>> would be extremely unhappy if once I was finally 13, a service excluded >>> me because it was "too much effort" to cover my edge case. I might even >>> be annoyed enough to seek out another product. Isn't one of this year's >>> goals to grow the Firefox userbase? >>> >>> Second, while 13 year olds might not be particularly passionate about >>> Sync, what about other projects like Loop. I'll bet 13 year olds would >>> be pretty annoyed if they couldn't sign up for the latest messaging app. >>> >>> I understand there's limited developer resources, but frankly, this >>> seems like pretty minor fix. If the user is in the magic year, ask for a >>> full birthdate. And we wouldn't even need to retain the data right? Just >>> that the verification passed? So it's not like there is a privacy issue. >>> I think we should think about the signal we are sending to the >>> community if we leave this bug open. Do we want to tell an already >>> disenfranchised group we don't care about them? >>> -- >>> Greg Norcie >>> >>> On 8/19/14, 1:20 PM, Edwin Wong wrote: >>>> Sorry - I was quick to the punch there... That was in reference to >>>> solution #3 or #3a. >>>> >>>> I think if we're going 'improve' age verification, we need to support the >>>> exact dates for 13 year old. I'd choose the least amount of work possible >>>> to support exact age verification but with no impact on users over 13. >>>> >>>> -edwin >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Edwin Wong" <[email protected]> >>>> To: "Nick Alexander" <[email protected]> >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 1:16:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >>>> >>>> At first I thought the same... but the MM/DD/YYYY picker ONLY displays if >>>> you pick the year that says you're 12 or 13. If you are over 13, you will >>>> never see this date picker/form fields. >>>> >>>> -edwin >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Nick Alexander" <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:34:10 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Improving age verification >>>> >>>> On 2014-08-19, 10:25 AM, Ryan Feeley wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Currently our sign-up form makes users feel older (born 1990 or >>>>> earlier?), and excludes some kids born in the magic year: >>>>> https://accounts.firefox.com/signup >>>>> >>>>> Finally… here are three proposals to improve our age verification: >>>>> https://www.lucidchart.com/documents/view/9a25eda5-f03d-46c0-80bf-756cd17da7c3 >>>>> >>>>> Remember that The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 >>>>> (COPPA) is a United States federal law that requires that we use a >>>>> “neutral" age verification mechanism. >>>>> >>>>> I believe option #1 and #2 are neutral, but I’ll require legal input for >>>>> #3. >>>>> >>>>> Which do you prefer: #1, #2, #3, #3a or leave it the same? >>>> >>>> Entering YMD (#1) on mobile is out of the question. Unbelievably >>>> terrible with keyboards, Swype, auto-complete, etc. >>>> >>>> I could be convinced that #2 without the day field (what do we care? >>>> round!) is worth it. But maybe we just go for a larger year range. >>>> >>>> #3 is a lot of effort for a really small win. 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