Gary,

One good way to check your SPF implementation is to send a message to a gmail 
account. Gmail will allow you to see the entire message header and includes a 
line showing that Google checks for SPF.

Shayne


-------- Original Message --------
> From: "Shayne Embry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:06 AM
> To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: SPF record question
> 
> Gary,
> 
> You are correct. Message from authenticated accounts to other accounts on 
> your server will show the originating IP as the last hop. Be assured, this is 
> not the case with messages leaving your server bound for other locations. 
> We've been using SPF and SmarterMail successfully for several years; in fact, 
> it has saved our butts on several occasions.
> 
> As for Hotmail, Yahoo, AOL and the like, it's always a crap shoot anyway. We 
> have one client that sends a weekly newsletter; one week everything runs 
> smoothly and the next we'll get 100 messages back from Yahoo. We've given up 
> trying to figure it out, but SPF is not the culprit.
> 
> Shayne Embry
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> > From: "Gary Steiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 1:54 AM
> > To: declude.junkmail@declude.com
> > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: SPF record question
> > 
> > No, I never belived that the SPF check was run against all the received 
> > headers.  I'm just looking at how Declude does its SPF check on email that 
> > comes into my server.  It always does it on the last hop.  But looking at 
> > the headers of the outgoing messages, (as I showed in my message below from 
> > February 16, 2007 4:10 PM), the last hop is shown as the IP address of the 
> > originating Outlook sender.  This is why I am confused.  Maybe this is a 
> > flaw in SmarterMail in that it does not list itself in the headers of 
> > messages that are internal to the server.
> > 
> > I'm just not comfortable with SPF and am worried that I am shooting myself 
> > in the foot by providing a method for other servers to block my legitimate 
> > mail.  I probably should have done more testing first, but I don't really 
> > have a good way to specifically check for SPF validity.  For example, I 
> > created a Yahoo account and a Hotmail account.  I sent email from my server 
> > to each.  Hotmail sent my message to its junkmail folder, Yahoo did not.  I 
> > have no way to know why Hotmail chose to flag the email as junk and Yahoo 
> > did not, as neither add any spam checking messages to the header.  I can 
> > see that both do list my mail server as the last hop and not the 
> > originating Outlook computer as the messages in my server's webmail do.
> > 
> > At this point maybe I will just wait and see if any of my customers 
> > complain about bounced mail.  If I don't hear any complaints, then I 
> > (probably) don't have anything to worry about.
> > 
> > Gary
> > 





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