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From: "Gary Steiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [email protected]
Date:  Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:20:56 -0400

>Basically you are telling me to ignore the Add Commtouch part of your web page 
>that shows up when I log in to my account.  
>
>What I find particularly amusing is the line "Restrictions apply to service 
>providers."  If there is anyone subscribed to this mailing list who is not a 
>service provider, please raise your hand.
>
>Isn't it generally a good idea to have your product's pricing defined before 
>you introduce the product?  I'm sure that everyone here reading the list is 
>extremely curious as to what the revenue share program really is, and when it 
>does come out, unless you hear exclamations of "What a Bargain" coming off 
>this list there won't be many of us joining that program.
>
>Other than the Commtouch add-on, are there any other features or reasons to 
>upgrade to 4.3?
>
>
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>> From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:03 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
>> 
>> Gary,
>> 
>> 1. Server Providers who use CommTouch as an add-in to Declude will be in
>> violation of CommTouch's Terms of service. 
>> 
>> 2. Some of the benefits of CommTouch are Zero Hour virus protection and
>> additional spam identifying technology such as Recurrent Pattern Detection
>> Technology (RPD) recognized by key industry analysts as a leading technology
>> in email outbreak detection.
>> 
>> 3. We are in the process of defining the revenue share program and will
>> provide the details to this when it is ready.
>> 
>> David B
>> www.declude.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary
>> Steiner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 4:09 PM
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
>> 
>> So, that being said, under what conditions can a legacy customer use
>> Commtouch?
>> 
>> Since it would seem that Commtouch is being offered as an add-on, what are
>> the benefits of having Commtouch?  What does it do that Declude alone does
>> not?  
>> 
>> And of course it would be nice if this "revenue share program" was spelled
>> out somewhere.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> > From: "David Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:57 PM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
>> > 
>> > There are restrictions on CommTouch being used by Service Providers we 
>> > had to ensure that NEW customers (ie. Service Providers After 1 June 
>> > 06) understand the licensing restrictions.
>> > 
>> > Current Service Providers (ie. Before 1 June 06) are under no 
>> > restrictions for using Declude; only the CommTouch add-in component.
>> > 
>> > However we have managed to come to an agreement with CommTouch to 
>> > enable our legacy customers (ie. Service Providers Before 1 June 06) 
>> > to take advantage of CommTouch under a revenue share program, this 
>> > program is not being forced onto legacy customers but will be an 
>> > opportunity for us to help you increase revenues in your business, by 
>> > providing you with new product like the Declude Gateway which would be 
>> > independent of Imail/SmarterMail and will include CommTouch.
>> > 
>> > David B
>> > www.declude.com
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
>> > John T
>> > (Lists)
>> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:02 PM
>> > To: [email protected]
>> > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
>> > 
>> > I guess we all missed the following paragraph in the license agreement:
>> > 
>> > 3.2.6 sub-license, rent, sell, lease, distribute, or otherwise 
>> > transfer the Licensed Program save as provided under this End-User 
>> > License Agreement unless You obtain a separate License from Declude, 
>> > Inc. for such purposes (for example, You may not embed the Licensed 
>> > Program into another application and then distribute such to third 
>> > parties unless You first acquire an OEM License from Declude, Inc.). 
>> > As of June 1, 2006, ISP's and other service providers are not 
>> > permitted to use Declude software to clean and forward mail to 
>> > customers unless a separate revenue share agreement has been established
>> with Declude.
>> > 
>> > http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=121
>> > 
>> > Is Declude trying to put us out of business? We pay for the software 
>> > and now have to pay them some of your meager profits?
>> > 
>> > John T
>> > eServices For You
>> > 
>> > "Seek, and ye shall find!"
>> > 
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
>> > > Gary Steiner
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:24 AM
>> > > To: [email protected]
>> > > Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3
>> > > 
>> > > I guess someone is going to make an official announcement today 
>> > > about
>> > Declude 4.3?
>> > > I see that its downloadable in my account, but it would be nice to 
>> > > know
>> > what I'm
>> > > getting before I install it, especially the new Commtouch stuff.
>> > > 
>> > > The "Restrictions" listed next to the Add Commtouch section are 
>> > > especially
>> > confusing.
>> > > 
>> > > https://www.declude.com/articles.asp?ID=205
>> > > 
>> > > Who would use Declude and not fit the definitions of the restrictions?
>> > Based on my
>> > > reading of the Restrictions, nobody who uses Declude will ever be 
>> > > able to
>> > use
>> > > Commtouch.  If I am misreading this, would someone please explain it 
>> > > to
>> > me?
>> > > 
>> > > Gary
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
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