Sandy, I was not suggesting that anyone move to SpamAssassin, rather, that
Declude should have looked at these other options and possibly consider
building in support for these services into Declude (since they are open
source solutions, source code and specifications are available), or at least
considered them against the CommTouch solution.
And by "convoluted", I should have been more clear, I was alluding to the
revenue sharing model Declude it trying to introduce. It sounds like this
requirement is being driven by CommTouch, and could have been avoided all
together if they had gone with one or more of these open source options
instead. Just as SA and other spam apps have built in support for these
freely available and open source spam services, nothing would have prevented
Declude from doing the same.
Declude has stated that they will eventually be including support for URIBL
checks within JunkMail. This has to be accomplished by reviewing open
source specifications and then building support to the specs so that queries
to the URIBL servers are delivered in the correct format and the returning
responses can be correctly interpreted. Thus, no different then Declude
looking at building in support to these various spam checksum services -
send the query in the correct format, and properly interpret the returned
response.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sanford Whiteman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Bill Landry" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 12:42 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude 4.3 - Commtouch trial ?
I guess what I am getting at here is that there are lots of "free"
choices/options/solutions available out there without having to
resort to pricey and convoluted options like CommTouch.
Bill, to be fair, DCC is plenty convoluted itself, if you follow the
requirement to run your own DCC daemon when passing hosting-level
traffic. Razor only became acceptable for hosting/reseller use
extremely recently. And free use of Razor, i.e. using the
razor-clients package instead of using a commercial Cloudmark product,
either requires facility with *nix, or a full-fledged, non-spamd
SpamAssassin fork (because I think there is no standalone razor-client
package for Windows, though there is now a compiled SA binary that
embeds a working Razor... but which has only a crippled/experimental
Win32 spamd). Legally embedding or linking these products into a
commercial engine such as Declude is next to impossible compared to
using a product designed to be static-linked into commercial products.
You probably know I already rely on SPAMC32/spamd for all content
checks and I really enjoy having Razor and DCC in the mix (haven't
dipped into iXHash yet, but I saw the announcement). But I think it's
misleading to imply that CommTouch is convoluted in any technical way,
compared to the learning curve of a Declude user going fully with SA.
On the contrary: the reason this kind of commoditized, Windows-client
distributed system is attractive is precisely _because_ getting dccd,
razor-client, and so on working and performing well on Windows is very
difficult. Same reason Sniffer is attractive: cross-platform, no
dependencies or interpreters, etc.
What _is_ convoluted and now-typically insulting is the introduction
of an ambiguous, and certainly ominous-sounding, licensing system
without feeling out the user base. I refer people to the fact that
Declude is said to have made many "new hires" of late -- without once
posting a job opening on a list composed of expert users of the
product.
And, um, the fact that Declude was for a time censoring (deleting
without notice) posts to the list that even alluded to support
failures, *and without later apology*, was a pretty big signal. But no
one seemed to care about that but me (or perhaps everyone's agreement
was similarly squelched, I guess). But now people are shocked,
*shocked* that their input wasn't deemed valid on this latest dropped
bomb. Gee, ya think?
--Sandy
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Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
Broadleaf Systems, a division of
Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
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