Hi John, John T was correct in that #3 was widely discussed and known. If you need it to remain on port 8383, however, it is simple to add to the IIS configuration. I think most of us are glad to have webmail in IIS now for more control and easier management.
On your note about companies not having time to research a product before purchasing or upgrading... that's just asking for trouble. I can't imagine adopting a major upgrading freshly released in a production environment. There's a general guideline in IT to wait for the first service pack before upgrading, as most stability and functionality problems will have been addressed at that point. As as for a company not fully researching a major product before purchasing, that's again asking for trouble. No offense intended, I just have found it interesting that so many jumped right in, many without a safety net, and then complained about the new release, ignoring best practices for major upgrades/installations. And many of the complaints are on minor things that would just take a few minutes to adjust. This is not a defense of Ipswitch, or any other vendor for that matter, just a general observation. Darin. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Olden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and IMail 2006 I was not knocking Imail 2006, I was merely listing the problems we had with the upgrade and made a suggestion for waiting. 3. I'm not sure what you mean by "Widely known." I don't recall seeing it here. (Not that I expected to) or anything in the product announcement I received as saying anything about it. I see nowhere in the documentation (Overview Guide, Getting Started Guide) that says that it was "replaced." All I see is that IIS is used. Kind of hard to let your clients know via e-mail that they can't access their e-mail in the usual way anymore. I was dealing with phone calls all day. 5. Again, The documentation I read said that contacts were imported. Not that only "correctly formated" contacts were imported. If it worked in the last version, I assume that it "should" work in the new. If not, let us know. During the import process it could have given a message me to this case. Then I could have gone through everyone's aliases.txt file to look for errors. Which I eventually had to do by just creating a name based on the first part of the e-mail address. 7. I stated that I had not reported this to "Declude" yet. And, I know this is a past issue but it only started for me after upgrading to 2006. 10. I would still like to be able to see the headers like in the past. And see how many delivery attempts have been made for a specific message. 9 & 11. As I stated I am just reporting everything I experienced. I do not subscribe to the Imail list because of the sheer volume I experienced in the past. I know it may be my fault for not searching the mailing lists, checking the forums, etc. before upgrading but I would assume that most smaller companies don't have the time to go "looking" for problems before upgrading. What if this was a first time purchase/install? I feel sorry for that individual. We are a small company <100 users so a testing environment is not feasible. Yes we did have backups but the fact that the only critical non-functioning part was the webmail sending we did not see a need to revert back until contacting Ipswitch customer support. Which fixed the problem. As I said, I'm not knocking it. Just making people aware of areas I was not aware of before upgrading. John Olden Systems Administrator Champaign Park District 217.398.2550 - voice 217.355.8421 - fax 217.398.2589 ext. 145 - voicemail John T (Lists) wrote: >3. Duh, that was widely known and is contained in the documentation. >5. Makes sense. Have to have required fields non-blank to migrate. >7. This is Declude issue, not an Imail issue. This is a known issue and >Declude has stated that it will be fixed in a future release. >9. Yep, disabling that can lead to some problems. >10. To a point, I can understand that as it has been reported to have >problems with viewing a message at the same time the Queue Manger does a >timed batch run. >11. Has been reported and reviewed on the Imail list. > >Since this is a major upgrade, you did do testing first, correct? Or at >least make a full back or image of the server for a fall back plan? > >John T >eServices For You > > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail- >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Olden >>Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:49 PM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Declude and IMail 2006 >> >>We upgraded to 2006 late last week. What a nightmare. :-\ >>We had a lot of problems and I have some complaints about the reduced >>functionality they (Ipswitch) neglected to tell us about before upgrading. >>1. Old Imail administrator program no longer used. Web administration >>should have been in addition to, not in place of. >>2. No message print button in webmail. >>3. Webmail does not use port 8383 anymore. It integrates with IIS. >>4. List administration is not part of the regular webmail page. Requires >>you to go to a different administration page. >>5. Users contacts without names are not imported. >>6. Had to have all users change their e-mail client settings so they >>could post to mailing lists. >>7. Picked up a problem with Declude confirm. List subscriptions are not >>working. User gets confirm message but is not added after reply. Haven't >>had time to report this one. >>8. Spell check does not work in Firefox. >>9. "Disable SMTP AUTH Reporting" was preventing webmail users from >>sending messages. Was on hold with them for 1.5 hrs before they found >>that one. >>10. Cannot view individual messages in queue in Web Administration. It >>only show totals and has a "Send All" button. >>11. Had to enable Imap for webmail users. >>12. Help file and PDFs from website are minimal. >>Those are the ones that I can remember off the top of my head. >> >>My suggestion, wait until there are a couple of updates before upgrading. >> >> >> --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found at http://www.mail-archive.com. --- [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude EVA www.declude.com] --- This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". 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