True. All I was trying to understand, from what some were reporting about
higher CPU usage, was if they really meant there were higher peaks and
valleys or it they were indeed seeing sustained higher CPU usage.
Based on the information presented, it appears as if we're talking about
peaks and valleys instead of higher CPU usage. The peaks and valleys can
then be controlled via the settings provided. Slight differences in
efficiency from one interim release to another could then explain why CPU
peaks and valleys would be different, therefore requiring different settings
to throttle CPU usage.
Darin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED])" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Darin,
One thing to factor in is that when you have a large group of processes
launced at one time (include external tests) you run into lost cpu due to
context switching, blocking for various resources like disk, etc. All this
adds to extra cpu use.
Darrell
Darin Cox writes:
Right, but as I was trying to convey, that is not higher average CPU
usage,
it is higher peak (and lower valley) usage. Total CPU usage remains the
same.
In picture form, we're looking at something like
80 | /\ /\
40 | / \ / \
0 |__/ \_/ \___
vs
80 |
40 | -----------
0 |___/ \___
Both consume the same CPU (i.e. have the same average CPU usage over a
specified time period), but one has higher peaks, and correspondingly
lower
valleys, than the other.
Darin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlobalWeb.net Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Simple - if declude waits 5 seconds for example for processing, and in
this
5 seconds there are now 100 messages present, they get processed by
declude
and then dumped to Imail for delivery. This would cause a prolonged spike
in QM as opposed to QM receiving a few mwssages at a time consistantly.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:34 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
I don't follow. How is declude dumping more mail for QM to handle if the
load is the same?
As Andy pointed out in another thread, total CPU instructions (usage)
should
remain relatively the same under the same load. Are you perhaps seeing
peaks and valleys where you used to see an average usage in the middle?
e.g. peaks of 80-90% cpu, with valleys close to zero in between, where you
used to see 40-45% cpu steady?
Darin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlobalWeb.net Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
No messages slipping thru - all messgaes are being processed correctly.
I'm
thnking it was just due to the waitformail in the cfg file. If declude
was
waiting to process based on this, then it would be dumping a lot more mail
into the spool for QM to handle; this would cause an increase...
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Hmmmm... very strange. The only thing I can think of that would cause
Queue
Manager to consume more CPU is if it is delivering more messages. Is it
possible that more messages are slipping through Declude with 3.0.5.11, as
compared with 3.05.5?
Or could there be some file locking contention between IMail and Declude
on
3.05.11?
Declude?
Darin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlobalWeb.net Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 10:46 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Your guess is as good as mine....but it was. And I have verified that
there
is no increase in message load.
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
But Queuemanager is IMail, not Declude. Why would it run higher unless
there was more load on the server (i.e. more messages being processed)?
Darin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlobalWeb.net Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Decludeproc runs at a higher CPU with v11 as compared to v5 - queuemgr
also
runs a it higher. These 2 services are the ones that most consumes CPU
with
v11
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:26 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Hmmm? You said queuemanager increased CPU usage as well. Were you just
meaning that only decludeproc and queuemanager were using CPU on the
server?
Darin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlobalWeb.net Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
No change in message load - I randomly picked approx 7pm yesterday to
upgrade.
Decludeproc service ran at a lower CPU at version 3.0.5.5
Sincerely,
Randy Armbrecht
Global Web Solutions, Inc.
804-346-5300 x112
877-800-GLOBAL (4562) x112
http://globalweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin Cox
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Hmmm... if queuemanager CPU is increasing, then that would point to more
messages being processed, wouldn't it? So it would logically follow that
decludeproc should see more CPU usage as well.
Do you have reports to show the incoming and outgoing message load on the
server, both before and after the Declude upgrade?
Darin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "GlobalWeb.net Webmaster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Decludeproc and queuemgr
Randy
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Barker
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Randy,
Can you confirm for me the processes that are increasing the CPU ?
David B
www.declude.com
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GlobalWeb.net
Webmaster
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 8:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Allow me to make a correction - under normal daytime loads, we are seeing
an
increase in CPU - steady at 80-90%. Under 3.0.5.5 we saw an average of
40%
Sincerely,
Randy Armbrecht
Global Web Solutions, Inc.
804-346-5300 x112
877-800-GLOBAL (4562) x112
http://globalweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GlobalWeb.net
Webmaster
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 7:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
We upgraded to 3.0.5.11 tonight - big difference in CPU in that it's way
down from the 3.0.5.5 - but proc folder will accumulate approx 35-50
messages before it'll dump them to the work folder. Do not see any
problems
so far except for the second or two delay in this...
We have in our declude.cfg:
THREADS 50
WAITFORMAIL 1500
WAITFORTHREADS 1000
WAITBETWEENTHREADS 1
Sincerely,
Randy Armbrecht
Global Web Solutions, Inc.
804-346-5300 x112
877-800-GLOBAL (4562) x112
http://globalweb.net
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Vanderzand
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 1:52 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: 'Technical Support'
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Dual Xeon 3.4Ghz 2GB ram imail 8.05 declude, sniffer & invurbl
The issue is that without changing anything other than going to 3.05.11
this
occurs
It appears that processing has changed
If I could get some idea from Declude about this.
Maybe I have to change my declude.cfg?
It currently is
threads 20
waitformail 500
waitforthreads 1500
waitbetweenthreads 100
Harry Vanderzand
inTown Internet & Computer Services
11 Belmont Ave. W., Kitchener, ON,N2M 1L2
519-741-1222
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Carter
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 1:30 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
Interesting ... .11 is working for me better than any previous version
-- proc and work are quickly cleared.
What process is jumping the CPU up so high? Decludeproc or the
anti-virus
scanner(s) or something else? How about some more info (CPU, RAM,
declude.cfg contents, do you run AVAFTERJM?, that kind of thing.)
John
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry
Vanderzand
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:10 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] 30511 problem
When I switch from 3.05.9 to 3.05.11 CPU usage goes up considerably
and mail gets processed much slower and starts to backlog.
I have had to switch back to 3.05.9
Harry Vanderzand
inTown Internet & Computer Services
11 Belmont Ave. W., Kitchener, ON,N2M 1L2
519-741-1222
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