thanks Barry a post from you from time to time on this list will help a lot
----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 4:19 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail move, and some complaining > I did post this morning to both this and the Virus lists but for some reason > it did not appear. I will re-post tomorrow when I get to the office. > > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Serge > Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:43 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail move, and some complaining > > Oops, i did not mean the customers > Went back and read my post, i meant to say why did BARRY not post any > explanation here, Not you John :) > Also i understand there are anti piracy details that cannot be shared here, > he did give some users some details about failsafe measures, cold spare > server, ... that Barry could have shared here to make us feel we are not > beiing ignored. > > Concerning anti-piracy measures, as posted here, everybody can also use same > > MAC address > One way to safely fight piracy, for declude and us customers, is a way for > declude to phone home with basic information, once an illegal copy is > detected, they disable the "activation code" in their database, and the next > > time that copy phone home, it disable itself. All this after contacting the > original customer, giving him a new code, so not to disable the "legal" > copy > That may be one way to do it, i'm sure there are other (and better ways), > but the important issue is that the "legal" customer can change as many ips > and macs as he wants, without encoutering any problem, until the declude > folks contact him, listen to him, and warn him. > > But we should have already been warned that changes are taking places, > phonning home is already happening, and what failsafe measures are beiing > considered > > Finaly, As always with software, there will always be someone who will > reverse engineer the code and create a "crack" to disable the security > mecanisme, that is the price of success. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Tolmachoff (Lists)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:40 AM > Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] SmarterMail move, and some complaining > > > > Also, I think it is ironic that, after most of us decided to stay with > Imail > > because of declude, we now are getting this treatment from CPHZ. > > I do not understand why CPHZ expalined privatly to a few customers about > > what is going on, and still has not posted something on this list. > > Should we understand that CPHZ values some customers more than others ? > > Apparently, some customer were satisfied with the explanation they got. > Why > > not post this explanation here ? > > I have not posted the explanation because of trust. Barry explained a bit to > me knowing I would not spread it out on the Internet. I am sure the others > that Barry talked to will say the same. > > CPHZ values all of its customers. If anything, Scott may dislike me more > than others because of the volume of e-mail over time from me he receives. I > must hold the record for having tabs and spaces where they do not belong. > > The root of the problem is, and one which has caused Declude a great deal of > grief, is dishonesty and theft. > > There are those out there, either lurking or being malicious, that recognize > Declude as a quality product and either use it without paying, or study what > it does to go around it. Per Barry, Declude KNOWS that there is a humongous > chunk of declude.exe files in use THAT ARE NOT LICENSED USES! That equals a > major chunk of money. > > About a year ago, there was a lot of discussion over sharing files. I was > even going to set up a web site to allow all of us to share our files to > help fight this war on spam. > > However, I had heavy reservations of misuse and abuse. It would have to be > done in one of 2 ways. 1: Create a private group where you proved who you > are and then are allowed in. Many had privacy concerns about this, and how > useful it would actually be. 2: It would be available to all. Problem is > that means spammers could also get it, and therefore know how to get around > our filters. > > Bottom line, there is a core group of Declude users who are known and > trusted. Outside of that group, there are lurkers, spammers, users with > malicious intent, thieves and so forth. The majority of those outside the > group however are honest professional admins. The problem is, there is no > way to tell you apart from all the bad stuff. > > Now please understand, the above paragraph is not meant to elevate or put > down anyone. It has to do with a time honored thing called trust. (Although > no matter how I put it some will take offense even though none is intended.) > > Therefore, Declude has to come up with a way to protect its products and > name, and receive the revenue it is do for its products. > > Now, one suggestion that people make is to use the IP address. And all the > thieves out there are going to say, lets all make our server have an address > of 10.10.10.31. DOESN'T WORK! > > And for questions about why has not Barry posted himself, I will answer from > experience: I have a character flaw. I get hot under the collar easy. When I > get hot under the collar, what I say, or type, is not always the best. When > I am accused of doing things that are not true, I get hot under the collar. > > John Tolmachoff > Engineer/Consultant/Owner > eServices For You > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus > (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. To > unsubscribe, just send an E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and > type "unsubscribe Declude.JunkMail". The archives can be found > at http://www.mail-archive.com. > > > > --- > [This E-mail was scanned for viruses by Declude Virus (http://www.declude.com)] > > --- > This E-mail came from the Declude.JunkMail mailing list. 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