OK, thanks. In ~/.xsession I'll now use xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT 0
However, I must still face the blindingly bright xdm login screen. By the way, please add this example: BG> xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT <value> to the intel man page at "LVDS", and add a note that the higher the number the brighter we mean, and note that this and the --prop values reported are totally independent of any buttons on one's hardware... each does not know about the other and adjusts independently. (So a --prop will say we are at 7, but then as --set 5 makes things brighter, as we were actually at hardware's 0!) BG> There's also a backlight_control property that may help. See the manpage BG> of intel for details. BACKLIGHT - current backlight level (adjustable) BACKLIGHT_CONTROL - method used to control backlight OK, but the latter doesn't say "(adjustable)", so I'm afraid ... wait, I indeed can do xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT_CONTROL native (do add an example usage to the man page) but it doesn't last thru an xdm login, and I'm not sure it does anything... what I really want is all this X windows stuff __not to tamper with the users backlight level unless requested__. Somewhere in the /etc/init.d/xdm start sequence something is doing the equivalent of xrandr --output LVDS --set BACKLIGHT 7 #max please tell it to cease and desist. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]