On 06/05/2017 09:30 PM, Justin B Rye wrote: > Julien Cristau wrote: >> Niels Thykier wrote: >>> Justin B Rye: >>>> I was assuming otherwise because the first symptom I ran into was that >>>> running startx in the absence of xserver-xorg-legacy gave me an X >>>> session with non-functional mouse and keyboard. >>>> >>>> But when I check now, installing every available xserver-xorg-* >>>> package in main including -legacy as well as -input-libinput makes no >>>> difference to that. On a testbed stretch machine with functional >>>> logind and so on but with an old KMS-incapable graphics card, I >>>> haven't found any way of making startx usable. >>> >>> Not sure what is going there. But I haven't used startx for years until >>> I learned of this feature, so I am probably not the right person to ask >>> what is going on/why it doesn't work. >>> >>>> Switching over to lightdm I can get a usable session without -legacy >>>> as long as I have -input-libinput. So I'm afraid I have no idea >>>> what's going on, or even how many problems there are. >>> >>> As I understand it, lightdm will start X as root unconditionally, so >>> that will work with or without -legacy. You want -legacy when using gdm >>> (or startx) plus have "old drivers". >>> >>> * @debian-x: Is the above correct? >>> >> Yes, any reasonable (read: KMS) setup will work fine without -legacy. >> In the absence of KMS (e.g. virtualbox, or new hardware not supported by >> the drivers we ship), you'll need either -legacy or a DM that hasn't >> been updated to starting X as non-root yet. > > So if I *do* have all the xserver-xorg-* packages installed (and > logind and so on), it's expected that everything should work, even on > an antique graphics card? For me, startx refuses to work on stretch - > it starts, but won't accept input. Switching to lightdm fixes it. > > I hope this glitch isn't going to be a widespread result of 8-to-9 > dist-upgrades, because the other mystery issue I keep encountering > breaks networking, and dead console plus dead SSH is a pain. > "antique graphics card" isn't something I can work with, please give actual details?
Cheers, Julien
