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Subject: xfree86: restore Xprint PMF files to orig.tar.gz
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Package: xfree86
Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10
Severity: minor
Restore the Xprint PMF files to upstream .orig tarball, and update
prune-non-free and the copyright file accordingly. It appears they're
free after all.
Severity minor because:
A) Xprt isn't workable in XFree86 4.3.0 anyway (use xprt-xprintorg); and
B) We'll have to re-roll the orig tarball for this, bumping us to
4.3.0.dfsg.2.
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Subject: font metric file licensing issues (was: PMF license)
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[Hamish, there is some material that may be of interest to you about 35
lines down.]
On Tue, Oct 12, 2004 at 03:47:41PM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote:
> Someone raised the question of whether Xprint font files need to be
> removed, probably in 2002 as Roland said. I asked Roland about it and he
> replied they were under the same X11 licence as the other files. I
> accepted this and didn't pursue the question further.
> I can't find the discussion archived, it may have been a private
> correspondence with Roland. The guts of the argument were the same that
> Roland is presenting here. I hope his reply to you on Saturday has
> convinced you.
I'm sorry it has taken me a while to get back to this.
On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 09:33:58AM +0200, Roland Mainz wrote:
> Branden Robinson wrote:
> > Your reasoning seems to be grounded on a couple of problematic premises:
> > * That font metric information isn't copyrightable. This may be true in
> > the United States, but one of the big reasons Debian still has a non-=
free
> > section is because Adobe in Japan asserts copyright over just this so=
rt
> > of thing.=20
>=20
> Again, this does not cover the PMF files. The original files have been
> commited by Hewlett-Packard under the MIT/X Consortium license many many
> years ago (and the files for the Postscript DDX were later refreshed by
> me to fix a minor bug - and I committed them under the same license:
> MIT/X.org). The so-called "copyright" notice in these files is just an
> attribute which informs the application that the attribute "COPYRIGHT"
> has a value. But this value does not relicense the file itself away from
> the MIT/X.org license. That would be the same as "relicesing" this email
> just because it references the string.
Okay, I'll take your word for it on this part.
> References or index data of this kind cannot be copyrighted, neither in
> the US nor in Japan nor elsewhere in the world.
I am afraid I'm not persuaded here, but I'm not really the person to argue
with about it. Hamish Moffatt, who maintains xpdf-chinese-simplified,
xpdf-chinese-traditional, xpdf-japanese, and xpdf-korean, is.
If you're right, that'd be great. If I understand correctly what is
keeping those packages in Debian non-free, then maybe we can move them to
Debian main.
In any case, if you're right about the blanket submission of the "original
files" under the MIT/X Consortium license, then the issue is surely void.
If they're not copyrightable, they're free for us. If they're
copyrightable and MIT/X licensed, they're also free for us.
> > I will try to find this discussion in Debian's list archives
> > if you're interested.
>=20
> Sure. It may be possible that Adobe Japan did some tricky stuff with CID
> fonts, but again this doesn't apply to something which has been
> explicitly commited under the MIT/X.org license by the authors.
I wish there were a historical record to refer to in this case, but as I
said, I'll take your word for it until I hear a persuasive case to the
contrary.
Thanks for the explanation!
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On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 02:35:26PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> Package: xfree86
> Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10
> Severity: minor
>=20
> Restore the Xprint PMF files to upstream .orig tarball, and update
> prune-non-free and the copyright file accordingly. It appears they're
> free after all.
>=20
> Severity minor because:
> A) Xprt isn't workable in XFree86 4.3.0 anyway (use xprt-xprintorg); and
> B) We'll have to re-roll the orig tarball for this, bumping us to
> 4.3.0.dfsg.2.
I've elected not to fix this. It's too large a change to make for sarge,
and the Xprint server is separately maintained in Debian now anyway (and
will be for the forseeable future).
Package: xprint
Priority: optional
Section: x11
Installed-Size: 4916
Maintainer: Drew Parsons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: powerpc
Version: 1:0.1.0.alpha1-9
Depends: libc6 (>=3D 2.3.2.ds1-4), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libsm6 | xli=
bs (>> 4.1.0), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxaw7 (>> 4.1.0), libxext6 | =
xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxmu6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxp6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), li=
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xprint-common
Conflicts: xprt (<=3D 4.3.0.dfsg.1-10)
Filename: pool/main/x/xprint/xprint_0.1.0.alpha1-9_powerpc.deb
Size: 1862392
MD5sum: 3ba5e6ede1e65833d699e3ddc26f1e2a
Description: Xprint - the X11 print system (binary)
Xprint is an advanced printing system which enables X11 applications
to use devices like printers, FAX or create documents in formats like
PostScript, PDF, PCL, etc.
.
This package provides Xprt, the Xprint server compiled from
xprint.mozdev.org, an X.org subproject. Xprint provides superior support
for printing from mozilla, including non-latin characters and MathML.
TrueType fonts are supported.
Closing.
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