This isn't an XF4 specific problem, but I noticed it after upgrading and getting rid of Xaw3d. I have some Xt code which sets a value like this: XtVaSetValues(button, "userData", w, NULL); and pulls it out later with XtVaGetValues(kids[i], "userData", &foo, NULL); Using xaw3d this worked fine, but with regular Xaw (from either 3.3.6 or 4.01) it fails, putting 0 in foo. Am I doing something wrong here that Xaw3d didn't check for? -- There is no TRUTH. There is no REALITY. There is no CONSISTENCY. There are no ABSOLUTE STATEMENTS. I'm very probably wrong. -- BSD fortune(6) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]