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Debian bug tracking system administrator (administrator, Debian Bugs database) -------------------------------------- Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 2 Aug 2004 22:42:40 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Aug 02 15:42:40 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from colossus.systems.pipex.net [62.241.160.73] by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 1 (Debian)) id 1BrlVv-0000B8-00; Mon, 02 Aug 2004 15:42:39 -0700 Received: from [192.168.2.128] (81-86-103-224.dsl.pipex.com [81.86.103.224]) by colossus.systems.pipex.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADAC1C000EF for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:42:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 23:42:56 +0100 From: Helen Faulkner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.1) Gecko/20040726 Debian/1.7.1-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Please change sexist language in debian (English) webpages X-Debbugs-CC: Debian-Women <debian-women@lists.debian.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2004_03_25 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-8.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_PACKAGE,X_DEBBUGS_CC autolearn=ham version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2004_03_25 X-Spam-Level: Package: www.debian.org This bug reports a problem with content on the website. It was suggested that I file it against www.debian.org, but if there is an actual different package name for the website (I couldn't find one), please file this bug against that. I have noticed some examples of sexist language on the debian website, looking at the English-language pages. Most examples take the form of assuming that a developer will always be male, a project leader will be always male, etc. This can be offputting and potentially offensive to women like myself who wish to become debian developers, and encourages people make the assumption that all developers etc are male. Note that most of the pages I have looked at on the website are fine in this regard. The most common strategy seems to be avoidance of gendered pronouns (ie writing to avoid use of he or she), and use of he/she where it's too awkward to avoid the pronoun altogether. Some pages use "they" as a gender-neutral pronoun. The worst example I have seen is here: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/nm-advocate I suggest rewording that page as follows (between ***s). The first paragraph of this was written by Carla Schroder: *********************************************************** "There is a checklist of what a NM has to do. The NM needs a GPG key signed by a developer, then has to answer some Philosophy and Procedures questions. The Tasks and Skills test proves that the NM has the experience to be a good Debian developer. You should advocate someone when you think that he/she is ready to be a developer -- i.e. has the required skills and has been involved with the project for some time. Just ask yourself if you want to see this person in Debian -- if the answer is yes then go ahead with your recommendation The exact steps are like this: you agree to recommend a prospective developer and he/she signs up. Then you have to go to this site, click on the correct name in the listing of applicants, go to the "advocate this application" page, put in your Debian login and press the 'submit' button. You will then receive an e-mail with an auth key which you have to return GPG/PGP signed. When this is done, an AM will be assigned to goes through the NM steps with the prospective developer." *********************************************************** Other examples of similar problematic wording are at the following pages. I doubt this is an exhaustive list. In most cases, the change would be a case of substituting "she/he" for "he" in a small number of places. I wonder if it is possible to automate the process of searching webpages for "he" and "his" and subsitituting "he/she" and "her/him", as a way of ensuring that there aren't any other pages on www.debian.org with similarly sexist language. Presumably other such things could be done for the pages in languages other than English, if the problem arises in those languages. http://people.debian.org/~mpalmer/debian-mentors_FAQ.html http://www.internatif.org/bortzmeyer/debian/sponsor/ (I wonder if I were to fill out the form would it come up with "he's looking for a sponsor", like the others?) http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/developers-reference/ch-resources.en.html http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/developers-reference/ch-pkgs.en.html http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html http://www.debian.org/security/faq http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals Thank you, Helen Faulkner. --------------------------------------- Received: (at 290587-done) by bugs.debian.org; 10 Feb 2005 10:38:42 +0000 >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thu Feb 10 02:38:42 2005 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from zoot.lafn.org [206.117.18.6] by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 1 (Debian)) id 1CzBib-0004B6-00; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:38:41 -0800 Received: from localhost.localdomain (wbar6-lax1-4-10-192-126.lax1.dsl-verizon.net [4.10.192.126]) (authenticated bits=0) by zoot.lafn.org (8.12.3p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j1AAcdCA097684 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:38:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Received: from kraai by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 4.34) id 1CzBiP-0001HA-TQ for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:38:30 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 02:38:29 -0800 From: Matt Kraai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040907i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: <locally generated> X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: done X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Tue, 25 Jan 2005 19:51:04 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on localhost.localdomain) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/680/Sun Jan 23 15:16:15 2005 clamav-milter version 0.80j on zoot.lafn.org X-Virus-Status: Clean Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,ONEWORD autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 X-Spam-Level: --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Howdy, I've changed doc/user-manuals to use gender-neutral language, so this bug is fixed. --=20 Matt --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFCCzmlfNdgYxVXvBARAqbAAJ0TYmIth0r1PfR/4vEuO25YqkYjaACcDX+T lWDQfQdIAe89ekQl7hDC3fw= =Z0h1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". 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