2014-02-11 5:04 GMT+01:00 Martín Ferrari <tin...@debian.org>: > Even if the author seems to be looking for controversy, starting from > the title, I think there are many interesting points in this article: > > http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-and-software
I don't think the title is the problematic thing, she seems to actually be referring to girls. Regarding the contents of the article, it essentially is a rant against how her son is discriminated against in girl-oriented tech activities, and how she has never experienced any kind of discrimination in the hackers' word. Good for her. I know other women in that situation, that either have not experienced discrimination themselves, or that they don't give much importance to it ("If someone of any gender does something that violates my boundaries, I assume it was a misunderstanding"). Of course, it might have affected that she was already used to be discriminated against for other reasons, according to her story ("As a little girl from farm country who'd repeatedly been excluded from intellectual activities because she wasn't wealthy or urban or old enough to be wanted"). After talking about herself, and how she startet to be a hacker, she seems to agree with some of the more generally accepted thesis: That we need to involve young girls in technologyu if we want to have female hackers and technologists ("Twelve-year-old girls today don't generally get to have the experiences that I did. Parents are warned to keep kids off the computer..."). Of course, she is kind of despising the fact that many women (and men) come to technology when they are already grown up. That's some kind of agesim ("Young women don't magically become technologists at 22. Neither do young men. Hackers are born in childhood..."). The she cries about how her son is discriminated against ("his school offered a robotics class for girls only. When my son asked why he couldn't join, it was explained to him [...]. My son came home very confused."), and goes on blaming us feminists ("Thanks so much, modern-day "feminism", for putting very unfeminist ideas in my son's head..."), as if it was us who invented discrimination. No comments on this, although I have my personal ideas on why some women have this point of view. Still, she even accepts than even in her so gender-inclusive town ("There's another place in my life, besides my home, where the idea of technology being a "guy thing" is totally absent: my hometown"), there are some gender issues regarding technology and kids ("girls aren't being raised to hack any more in my hometown than they are anywhere else. When I talked to those fifth-grade math classes, the boys told me about fixing broken video game systems or rooting their phones. The girls didn't do projects--they talked about fashion or seeking popularity--not building things"). Afterwards, she complains about being pushed by non-programming women around her ("Sometimes I want to shout "you're not a programmer, what are you doing here?!" ") to be more feminine, and how she might not be a role model for many girls. The point of not being openly feminine is relevant, though, as it helps being accepted and respected by both males and other females in technological contexts, though I'm not gonna expand on it here. Oh, I also forgot to mention about the stereotypes she's including in her rant ("who'd have me passive-aggressively redcarding anyone who bothers me or feeling like every male is a threat", "hackers are generally kind of socially inept"). I don't think her personal experience -or mine, or any particular one- should be taken as universal. I acknowledge that she probably has experienced what she's describing, and I'm glad that she's so happy. And that's the end of what I can see in her article that has some value for me. The problem of generalizing personal experiences is that you leave out of the equation all those who have had different ones, that's where objective data enter into account. And objective data, statistics, tells us that the hacker's world for girls is and was a very different thing that what she's describing in her article. The last part is simply the standard rant about how we are discriminating males ("Do not punish the men simply for being here. "Male privilege" is a way to say "you are guilty because you don't have boobs, feel ashamed, even if you did nothing wrong""), doing artificial social engineering ("to drag grown women in chains to LUG meetings and attempt to brainwash them to make you more comfortable with the gender ratio"), and how we're scaring poor "good guys" with our intents ("it just makes good guys afraid to interact with women because they feel like they can't win"). So, my general impression of the article is that the author is generally happy with the statu quo, that she doesn't think that there is a problem with the gender imbalance and that nothing should be done about it. That's okay, she's definitely free to think that, but some of us think opposite, that there is a problem. We might not have the recipe for solving it, I wish we had, but we know that we don't have from a perfect situation, unlike her ("I had a haven, a place where no one cared what I looked like, what my body was like or about any ephemera--they cared about what I could do--and this culture shift has robbed me of my haven"), and thatwe would like to do something to make it better. Greetings, Miry -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-women-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAFotxVPnBrNSfZON6=_zmfxqy3s7vq5ealwdkpfwrp+hox6...@mail.gmail.com