On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 03:46:46PM +0000, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 04:17:42PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 12:31:18PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > > > Under 4.1.5 of the Constitution, the developers by way of GR are the > > > body who has the power to issue nontechnical statements. > > > > > > This is a proposal for Debian to issue a statement on an > > > issue of the day as given as an example, the recent invasion > > > of Ukraine. > > > > > > ==== Text of GR ==== > > > > > > The Debian project issues the following statement: > > > > > > The Debian project strongly condemns the invasion of Ukraine by > > > Russia. The Debian projects affirms that Ukrain is a souvereign > > > nation which includes the Donbas regions of Luhansk, as well as > > > Crimea, which has already been illegaly annexed by Russia. > > > > I do not believe that Debian starting issuing such statements for > > political issues of the day would be a good idea. > > > > I think this is a good position, especially in this case. > > We have Debian developers and users in Ukraine and Russia: hostilities > continue. > If the project were to endorse this, you might put people in a dangerous > situation - in an area subject to Russian control, anybody involved with > Debian, even peripherally, would be breaking Russian law if the above > passed and might be subject to 15 years imprisonment. > [A factual statement with no further judgment].
Can you provide a source? Regardless though, I can imagine a crumbling regime to do basically anything, and this is certainly a valid point, and also a problem for any of our Russian DDs if they were to face priso for association with an enemy organisation or whatever. > > If this is a precedent, would you feel as happy to make a value call on > the rights of the Karens / Rohinggya in Myanmar? The Hmong across SE Asian > borders? Strong feelings about Taiwanese status, flag, designation have > already caused issues in Debian and other Linux distributions. At least for Taiwan and Kosovo, I think that by holding DebConfs in those places and engaging with their self-determined governments we have de-facto accepted them as self-determined sovereign nations. -- debian developer - deb.li/jak | jak-linux.org - free software dev ubuntu core developer i speak de, en