On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 02:15:14PM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > * Wouter Verhelst <wou...@debian.org> [2012-03-13 14:11:30 CET]: > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 09:40:35AM +0100, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > > > and there are also people who fight for their right to behave like > > > assholes and belittle scathingly against people that wish for a better > > > communication style. > > > > This, I agree, should not be acceptable behaviour. I hope you're not > > categorizing me as someone who would do that ;-) > > Not at all, but I have seen such behavior every now and then, > especially when discussion about Enrico's community guidelines popped > up, people harshly defended their right for "free speach", so to say, > and it wasn't the only occation (have received quite some hateful > messages over time for my wish to have a better discussion style within > the project). > > But this is also part of: > > > In addition, one of the things I've been considering is to lead a > > discussion on an overhaul of our code of conduct. I think our current > > CoC isn't really working, since it's outdated in parts, irrelevant in > > others, and ignored by many people in the parts that actually matter. > > ... the CoC being ignored. In so many ways, both by people actively > ignoring it, and no real actions about "rule breakers" (unless they > crossed the line for next to everyone over a long period of time > already, which is, IMNSHO, way too late). > > So how do you envision an overhaul of the CoC could work to not be > ignored just again?
A mailinglist code of conduct should be about actual conduct on mailinglists, not about "don't use format X to send your mail" or "don't send automated vacation messages"[1]. There are things in Enrico's community guidelines that I think make sense for a code of conduct. Parts of http://people.debian.org/~enrico/dcg/ch02s04.html, for instance. It would need to be rephrased to sound less like a HOWTO and more like an actual code of conduct, but I think the principles are sound (in fact, a few years ago I was writing up something similar when I first saw that document and decided that it contained everything I wanted to write, and more). If a code of conduct is about actual conduct rather than "go fix your mail client", I think it stands a far better chance of being adhered to. Technical things, like "large attachments" and "HTML mails" can probably be rejected by a simple filter on the listserver, if we're not already doing that. [1] While I agree that some things (such as attachments or HTML messages) don't have a place on our mailinglist, I'm not sure a code of conduct is necessarily the right place to discourage them. [...] > So indeed, like Stefano mentioned, a "sorry, was wound up", "was wrong > in my judgement" from the people who are misbehaving would help a lot to > get things into better shape, but those are still the few exceptions, > unfortunately. Yeah, definitely. -- The volume of a pizza of thickness a and radius z can be described by the following formula: pi zz a -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120314142228.gf4...@grep.be
