On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 31 mars 2010 à 05:03 -0700, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> I just update code in one place, test it, and then run a script
>> that does a git pull for all my packages. The next time I build the
>> package, it will pull in the change.
>
> Which is what I already explained in other terms:
>
> Your packages are absolutely impossible to maintain by anyone
> but yourself.
I am not sure that follows. I think that if you want to maintain
my packages you need to actually be comfortable with shell scripting
and make. There is documentation lying around
(./debian/common/README, debian/common/targets.dot).
For normal NMU's and all, all the NMUerr does see is:
create_md5sum
which seems fairly self explanatory. At least as clear as dh_md5sum.
>> > This doesn’t raise questions about the competence of the newcomer. This
>> > raises questions about the competence of the person who designed the
>> > package.
>>
>> I am happy you have an opinion. I don't think much of it, but
>> you are indeed entitled to it.
>
> I wouldn’t expect you to be able to question your own choices anyway.
I personally think that would apply to present company as well.
> Actually, I shouldn’t be discussing this with you, this is pointless as
> always.
I truly appreciate that.
On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 31 2010, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> However a newcomer not aware of your fanatic rejection of any kind of
>> standard tools would absolutely not understand what this is about. And
>> the same goes about everything else in the package.
>
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I just update code in one place, test it, and then run a script
>> that does a git pull for all my packages. The next time I build the
>> package, it will pull in the change.
>
> So you are indeed using package helpers. Those are "just" yours and not
> anyone else's…
I am using a build system that comes with the package
source. You may label it a "helper" if you so desire.
>
>> Personally, I find a small shell snippet to be clearer than a
>> reference to a external program, and when finding myself stuck in RHEL-
>> land, my packages build, and would have caused more pain were they
>> dependent on helper packages.
>
> Hmm… So a shell snippet is clearer than a manpage [debhelper's not a GUI…] ?
Well, I find man pages are sometimes not to be trusted. I don't
have debhelper around, so I can't say how clear the man page
is. Knowing Joey, it is likely to be very clear. But for something as
simple as this, I prfer actually looking at the code to be executed,
and this is likely to be more sumple than dh_md5sum, since I do not
have to provide a UI.
> Are those helpers not installable/available on RHEL ? Maybe they should…
They are certainly not available here. I have not looked into
installing them, to tell you the truth --- departure from the blessed
image should be minimized, I thought, and it was not worth it for the
few packages Ineeded. Did appreciate packages that build on non-debian
bxes, at least until the build stage.
manoj
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