Mike O'Connor wrote: > > If we make users have to decide between the "100% free installer" and > the "installer with non-free", and it makes the user have to think about > "what is this non-free stuff, and why should I care". I think it is an > added side benefit. If a user at some point decides to "vote with their > pocketbook", by choosing a piece of hardware based on its compatibility > with debian, I think that could also be a benefit.
+1 Having a "really free-software" install path would be really good, even if not working on every hardware out there Some hardware already need non-free stuff from the beginning on; why not providing a -dfsg (or "normal") and a -contrib (or whatever) one for all the non-free hardware out there ? Where is the difference between: * using a contaminated installer from main and not adding non-free firmware * using a non-contaminated installer from main and adding non-free firmware In any case, for a firmware-needing hardware, either non-free firmwares or presumably non-free blobs have to be used. In swiss-french, we say: "Il ne faut pas cacher la merde au chat" (approximatively: "Don't hide the shit to the cat") Providing a guaranteed (as much of Debian's knowledge) free Linux kernel and installer in main would be really fulfilling Debian's promises. This does not necessarily exclude providing a "contaminated" installer and/or kernel in contrib (or elsewhere). This, in my user's eyes, would be "not hiding the shit to the cat"… > A line has to be drawn somewhere. +1 > The arguments about "we are losing users to [other distro] becuase of > this" Hold very little weight. "Be a popular distro" is not a goal of > debian, "Be a free distro" is. "Let's include non-free software because > everyone else is" is a counter-argument to me. If we are the only ones > left that cares so much, all the more reason to stick to our principles. > > stew +1 again. OdyX -- Swisslinux.org − Le carrefour GNU/Linux en Suisse − http://www.swisslinux.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-vote-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
