MJ Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> That's certainly someting to strive for, but I don't think it's a >> practical *requirement* in an organization the size of Debian. I do >> agree that we shouldn't easily give up on trying to reach that form of >> stronger consensus. > Personally, I think the RFC 3160 view of '"rough consensus", meaning > that a very large majority of those who care must agree' would be good > enough. What is "a very large majority" these days? I suspect it > should be larger than the margins that the DPL got in recent votes (3 to > 1 and 5.77 to 1, if I've worked them out right). Ah, okay, I think we can agree on that. If we're just arguing over what level of supermajority makes a consensus, I think we're just debating practical application and not really the underlying principle. > In general, it wouldn't be a practical requirement, but it's practical > for most DPL powers. It's one of a few things which stop DPLs having > absolute power. If the DPL cannot find a consensus, then there are > other methods to reach a decision and the DPL has simplified access to > some of them. True. >> Numerous public statements by the IESG and by ADs over years of working >> groups in which I've participated, and release of documents for which >> there was exactly that sort of consensus (RFC 2822, for instance). > Can someone point me to one, please? www.ietf.org seems to have replaced > its web search with google, which just returns noise when I try to find > one, and I didn't find a decent index to the drums archive (when looking > into the release situation of 2822). Unfortunately, I can't, since I'm speaking from personal memory and didn't retain URLs. :/ We've had several rough consensus calls recently in USEFOR, and there was one major one with article numbers in the now-published NNTP standard. > That's the sort of time I meant when I wrote "Sometimes bad decisions > are the only possible decisions, but I don't believe that's as common as > the disputes under this DPL." I don't mean that the decision is evil or > wrong necessarily, just that it's not a good strong decision. Ah, okay. I understand, then, I think. -- Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
