Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Nov 2, 2003, at 00:04, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >> What do you mean, without a mandate? If the GR passes with a >> landslide, woudn't that be a mandate? > > Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps the landslide just means people don't want > to loudly proclaim Debian's support of non-free software anymore?
I support Branden's proposal but I don't support the removal of non-free. You could claim that I'm just persuaded by Branden's style (or whatever) but I do think it is a sane and consisten opinion. None of my packages is in neither non-free nor contrib and I don't have any packages from neither of these installed. I think the last non-free thing I had installed was netscape and gpg-{idea,rsa} (wasn't they in non-us/non-free?). But this doesn't mean that I believe that non-free is unnecesary forever. The next killer application might be distributable but non-free and it might take som time to have a free replacement. Yes, Apt repositories does make it easy to have unofficial sources but I like having a single source of packages. I have trust in Debian and I would like to have my packages from someone who agrees that is is suboptimal with a non-free solution. I wouldn't have the same trust in a non-free.org replicate of Debian to keep true to the open source-ideal while keeping a pragmatic apporach. But pragmatism aside I don't think it belongs in our Social Contract with the comunity. Distribution of non-free works is not the goal of Debian and they are a kind of second class packages. The Social Contract describes our common goals, beliefs and ideolegy. There are some that have dificulty differencing between ideology and pragmatic apporoach. I like being able to differentiate between them otherwise the world becomes purely black and white rather fast. -- Peter Makholm | The four letter word beginning with L? [EMAIL PROTECTED] | It's life, love, libc or lisp http://hacking.dk | -- Depending on you point of view