On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 08:51:06PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 09:04:02AM +0100, Richard Braakman wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 06:19:18PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote:
> > > On Fri, Mar 09, 2001 at 12:43:52PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > > Assume you had the same intentions I described above: that you'd try as
> > > > hard as possible to get a vote on the issue done, and then try as hard
> > > > as you could to make sure the result of that vote was effected. How
> > > > would you answer your question?

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> > > if i happened to be in favour of removing non-free then i'd answer "Yes"
> > > and optionally follow it up with comments on what i intended to do about
> > > it.
> > 
> > That wasn't the question either. 
> 
> this one WAS the question.

It is possible to be in favour of one thing, but still intend to implement 
the other if the project votes that way.  A possibility that Anthony's
description states but yours does not allow for.

> given that the question was a "hypothetical" and not a real inquiry
> about my intentions, i see no problem with responding in a manner which
> addresses all the significant hypothetical alternatives.

Your "alternatives" were about being in favour, not in favour, or
not caring.  But your question was about "intent to take action".
That's a different axis.  If you wanted to know whether Branden
was in favour of removing non-free, you could have asked that.

Let me make the situation a bit sharper so that you have less
wriggle-room.  I present this position:

  I believe that it is important that the non-free archive issue is
  resolved.  The proposals regarding it should be formalized, voted
  on, and the outcome implemented.  I intend to take action to make
  this happen within the year, regardless of what the outcome is.

And your question:

  do you intend to take any action to have non-free removed from the
  debian archives? (this is a yes or no question, but feel free to make
  comments after answering yes or no).
 
Now, how would you represent that position in the format you specify?

Richard Braakman

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