On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:02:41PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 17:04:36 -0500 (EST), Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >> > I have never had a hostile experience with debian, but I still > >> > feel really unconfident when I interact with the debian > >> > community, even if it's only posting a bug report. I don't > >> > understand why this is so, but it's very real. Partly it's > >> > knowing that I'm going to be dealing with a man (almost > >> > certainly), and he may assume I don't know what I'm doing, and he > >> > may put me down or be condescending or unkind as a result. > >> > > > Helen I hope you don't take this the wrong way but the problem isn't > > that you're a woman or nearly all Debian developers are male. The > > problem is you are a flake. (No that wasn't an attempt to put you > > down or be unkind. It's simply the most accurate word I can think > > of. If anyone knows a proper psychological term for what I'm > > describing I'll use that.) Vague fears of persecution are a sign of > > mental instability which can't be fixed by an operating system free > > or otherwise. > > Heh. Seems tome that you are merely displaying your > inexperience and ignorance (No that wasn't an attempt to put you > down or be unkind -- there is no shame in not knowing stuff yet). > > What Helen mentions is not a feeling that is an isolated case, > and felt just by her. This is a wide spread phenomena. My wife has a > Ph.D., and is widely published, and has landed two tenure track jobs > (which, in biology, is quite a feat). And yet, she says she still has > to struggle with exactly the same feelings that Helen describes. It > is not inexperience, and it seems unrelated to the skill set. > > My wife also has been involved in Women in Science groups on > three separate campuses across the country, and stories and > experiences like this abound. Another facet is the this is the > absolute denial by the their male colleagues that any such feelings > could ever exist, which I think is horribly short sighted behaviour > for these guys -- considering that they are not women.
<dark> "hysterical" is actually an interesting word, it basically
means "having a womb". Psychologists once thought it was something
women did naturally.
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