On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:48:11AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > This is a simple questionnaire. You can answer like you want. Cross > as many boxes as needed ... but try to keep the answers logical. Feel > free to justify your choices. > > 1. master.debian.org is still running potato. What do you think about > that ? > > [x] The debian admins should be blamed
It's their *responsibility*, but whether there's blame to be assessed seems a hasty conclusion. > [x] They must have good reasons to not have upgraded This is possible, though I'd like to hear them. :) > [x] Nothing, i have to ask some explanations first It seems a fair question. We're going to be dropping support for potato before too long, and there have been tons of bugfixes in basic tools like Vim[1] since potato was released. > [x] What's the problem exactly ? I wouldn't regard running potato on master as a likely embarrassment until we actually tell the rest of the world we're not supporting it anymore. > 2. If you're As DPL, or as Joe Q. Developer? I can't unquestioningly check any of these. > regularly in contact with debian-admin or ftpmasters or > some other important team, you will have faced rejection of ideas or > requests, and if you criticize them because of that, you may get an > answer like "bingo, I'll never do anything for you in the upcoming > year". What do you think about such an answer ? > > [ ] Heh ... looks like a power trip, but forgive them, they never do > what they say. Such responses are seldom productive but sometimes understandable. If this sort of message is sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED], though, there's a problem. Either the DPL has done something *really* stupid, or the team member is being unreasonably belligerent, and that's likely a problem. > [ ] I need to bring new blood in some teams to prevent those power > trips. Possibly. Such intemperate responses are often uttered by people who are overburdened and overworked. > [ ] They're right, you only deserve to be flamed ... you keep asking > stupid things. We need to aspire to a certain level of professionalism in our internal communications when we require things of each other -- however, perfection is not a reasonable standard. We need to be able to accept the occasional frayed temper, and we must be able to forgive the occasional harsh word. It is better to let people vent verbally than wall them into channeling their frustration into negative, destructive *action*. > [ ] Who did say that ? I'm going to punish him as soon as I'm elected. Without even getting a handle on the context? This sort of attitude would only promote an arms race of intolerance between the DPL and the delegates. An escalation of existing hostility when one hasn't explored alternatives first is pretty unwise, and indicative of poor leadership.[2] > 3. We'd better release : > > [ ] twice a year > [ ] once a year > [ ] every two years > [ ] always, we just throw stable away and keep a slightly modified > testing as official stable I don't have a strong personal opinion on this. Sorry to be so non-commital, but I live in Debian unstable and so the release schedule doesn't impact me the way it does our users. I think it would be interesting to survey the developers and have some conversations with the Release Manager before mandating any sort of time frame. > 4. The DAM is : > > [x] a critical part of our infrastructure > [ ] guilty of not rejecting people when they deserve to be That's possible, but I'm not sure it should really be the DAMs job to exercise a veto on an NM candidate that has otherwise passed the process. If we have people getting in who don't "deserve" to, then I think the burden should lie on the NM team to revise their criteria and processes, not expect the DAM to precognitively spot the troublemakers. One of the reasons the DAM is there is to deactivate and delete accounts, not just create them. > [ ] guilty of doing everything behind the back leaving everyone > in the ignorance This is an overstatement, but it's also a common perception. It seems to me this could be addressed by working with the DAM(s) to establish clear expectations about what their job is, how they do it, and how one can tell if they're actually not doing it, as opposed to it just seeming like they're not doing it. > [x] elmo, a cool guy when you know how to discuss with him James and I have clashed in the past, but then again who *haven't* I clashed with in the past? :) James has done, and continues to do, a hell of a lot of good work for the Project. I am confident there is way the DPL can help him out and satisfy the reasonable expectations of Developers and NM applicants, without him becoming a walking piņata. > 5. The ftpmasters are : > > [ ] a good team, other teams should take them as model I think they're essentially a good team; not sure if they qualify for "model" status. (I'm not sure *any* existing team qualifies for "model" status. :) A good DPL can help good teams become model teams.) > [ ] annoying guys who ask you to clarify a license even when it's > quite clear already No. If FTP admins says it's not clear, and debian-legal says it's not clear, it's not clear. > [ ] busy guys who take too long to add a package in the archive This sort of assertion should not be made without quantitative data to back it up. > [ ] too powerful, refusing to add some packages when > the license was ok (example: apt-i18n a few months ago) is a > shame. I can't really agree with this one either. Even if one feels that apt-i18n was a bad call, that doesn't mean the FTP admins shouldn't have the corresponding power. People are occasionally going to disagree on specific decisions, just as they do with package maintainers. Thanks for the questions! [1] well, okay, basic for some people :) [2] Hello, Mr. President. -- G. Branden Robinson | Men use thought only to justify Debian GNU/Linux | their wrong doings, and speech only [EMAIL PROTECTED] | to conceal their thoughts. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Voltaire
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