On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 03:55:21 -0800 Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Katipo wrote: > > On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 13:42:14 -0600 "Dave's List Addy" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> On 1/26/04 6:00 PM, "Paul M Foster" wrote: > >>> 1. Don't call us when you need help fending off the next power-mad > >>> psycho bent on enslaving the entire planet. > > > This personality is your current president, ably assisted by a cabal of > > like personalities. > > Such as a multitude of European leaders. Sorry, I really dislike the guy > but there's no comparison. > > >>> 2. Don't call us when you've finished erecting the full-on socialist > >>> state you're busy creating in Europe, and you don't like the results. > > > I'm not European, but from my objective viewpoint, they seem to be heading > > in the right direction. > > How's that? Socialism doesn't work. Hasn't worked before. Won't work in > the future. Doesn't work in small scales. Doesn't work in large scales. It > falls apart and in the process ruins all that it touches. > > > Why don't you just get your totally unnecessary military bases out of > > there. > > I'm sorry, I must have missed something. When did the nations in question > request they be removed instead of request that they be there? In spite of > your skewed perception of reality those bases can only exist at the sufferance > of the nations that provide the land for them. > > Be that as it may I happen to agree with you there. But let's keep the > facts straight, eh? > > > You only went in to Yugoslavia because after the russian withdrawal from > > east Germany, there was no more justification to stay on in west Germany > > (although, I note you are still there), to maintain a military base on the > > european continent. > > While I think it was a mistake I find it interesting that you feel that > Europe, in general, trending towards socialism is a good thing (based on the > "good" it does for the pleb...er, citizens) yet poo-poo the US from stopping > the slaughter of one people by another in *BOTH* directions. One presumes > then that you'd rather they just up and kill themselves or is it more that you > only want a government doing the right thing when it is your version of what > is a proper government? > > >>> 3. Don't come here to escape your crushing taxes. > > > Imposed as a necessity to pay off the exhorbitant cost of American 'aid.' > > Uh, no. France and Germany are doing quite well on their own by > increasing their population base even though there is not a need through > subsidized breeding programs which guarnetee large sums of money per child. > That has to be funded somehow; guess how. > > >>> 4. Don't come here to avoid your crappy socialized health care > > >>>> system. > > > The only westernized nation that spends less on health care/capita than the > > U.S. is Turkey. > > Aaaand we still have people from nations with socialized health care > coming here to get treatment. What's that tell you? Hint, see the top of my > message about socialised systems NOT WORKING. > > >>> 5. Don't expect sympathy when 3000 of your citizens become victims > >>>> of the next Islamist nut job with a plan, who claims he hates the > >>>> U.S. but inexplicably attacks you instead. > > > And where is this occuring, other than with your 'friends and allies.' > > Oh how quickly we forget Yugoslavia. I mean you only see it as > heavy-handedness. Try reading the details sometime. > > >>> 6. Don't come here to find "opportunity" or "the promise of a better > >>> life." That includes you, Mexico. > > > The "opportunity" and "the promise of a better life" are all things of the > > past in America. > > Yet people still flood here from other nations. Imagine that. Have you > honestly been here to find out firsthand? I think, actually, that opportunity > is quite apt. Look it up sometime to see the difference between it and what > most of Europe is sliding towards. Opportunity it is not. > > > It's true that the U.S. have taken in many from other cultures, it's also > > true that it is also the standout hotbed of racism in the world today. > > *laugh* You've got to be kidding me, right? The standout hotbed of > racism? You mean what happened in Yugoslavia wasn't racism. Or what happens > on a daily basis between Isreal and its neighbors? How about the handful of > racial purges in central Africa. Dare we also mention the racial tensions in > SE Asia? What do all of those have in common that isn't present in the US > which is the "standout hotbed of racism"? How about open bloodshed of > thousands of people? How about the regular occurance of rape, torture, > mutlation and wholesale slaughter? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall > a single instance of whole communities being murdered in recent US history. > > > Your national baseball competition is termed the 'World Series.' > > And yet we bring in players from other nations. Tell me, outside of > Japan, where else is there a widespread playing of Baseball? Actually, that's > the wrong question to ask. When the phrase was coined outside of the US how > many nations had baseball teams? Hm? > > > When I visit your country, my visa is stamped with the word 'alien' as if I > > am not of the same species, perhaps not even from the same planet. > > It's obvious from your writing you have an excellent command of the > English language yet you quibble over words that have multiple meanings. > Sorry, the entire language has that. I'm quite positive most people aren't > expecting you to be a little green man from mars from that word... > > Main Entry: 2alien > Function: noun > 1 : a person of another family, race, or nation > 2 : a foreign-born resident who has not been naturalized and is still a > subject or citizen of a foreign country; broadly : a foreign-born citizen > 3 : EXTRATERRESTRIAL > > ...given that the dominant two usages have nothing to do with the 3rd. > > > If you look around, you will observe many other symptoms of the disease, > > but this will not slow you down in your headlong flight into lunacy. > > Actually I'd enjoy you to give further examples to prove that it is you on > the headlong flight into lunacy. > > > A U.S. open source advocate that spent some time overseas recently, > > returned to the states and noted in his writing that it was fashionable to > > hate America throughout the world at the moment. > > Which it is. Your post proves it so because if your are representative of > that fashion then the ignorance is quite profound. > > > It's not fashion, it is more substantial than that. But clowns like you > > that read and believe every word in your tame press will not even pause to > > consider why this might be. > > Uh, no, it isn't more substantial. It's funny that clowns like you > believe that all Americans do two things: > > a: only listen to their press and > b: believe everything it says. > > We do get broadcasts from other nations here. A good many people do > listen to them. > > > Why an ever accelerating number of world citizens, ordinary everyday > > people, are rapidly taking up this perception. > > Could it be because they are listening to their media and believing all of > what they say without thinking for themselves? Could it be the limiting view > their parochial education and limited political choice? I mean the hypocricy > and ignorance in your message is stunningl; bordering on dumbfounding in fact. > > > In the not too distant future, the U.S. is going to be the last bastion of > > human existence in a world totally populated otherwise by terrorists, and > > still you will refuse to consider that you are going in the wrong > > direction. > > We're going the wrong direction. What would the right direction be? If > your message is any indication it is to let racial hotbeds where thousands are > slaughtered for no better reason than they are different because you're more > concerned about the fact that the US has, at best, racial tensions. Tensions, > I might add, which are fed more by the people trying to "fix" it than the > people they're supposedly trying to perpetuate it. It is to limit freedoms, > strip individuals of their earnings, make them dependant on the state all in > an effort to do.. what? Set them free? Of what? > > > All your pathetic faith placed in personalities like Bush and > > Cheney, once and still executive figures with Enron and Haliburton, prime > > examples in the history of corporate corruption, and still not brought to > > trial. > > Another misconception in a message full of them. Newsflash, Bush lost > the popular vote. There are quite a few people here pissed off about that. > Furthermore he has butchered the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Many more > people are ticked off about that. If you think that the US is uniformly > behind its present you're just plain stupid. I, for one, have no faith in > Bush and if it were possible less in Cheney. I didn't vote for them and > certainly won't come the next election. I've been vocal about my opposition. > Do a google search. > > > I note that Haliburton recently finished its' allocated contract in > > the restoration of Iraqi oil reserves. Jobs for the boys. I note also, in > > passing, that Iraq possessed 25% of the worlds' oil reserves. I employ the > > past tense because it doesn't anymore, does it? > > Yes, and? You think all Americans are happy about those events? Hell > even our "tame media" has reported about the dissention and has made inqueries > as to why that's all happening. What, your media not cluing you into that fact. > > >>> 7. Don't expect our help in creating an economy or a society that > >>> actually works. Our founding documents are all on the internet for you > >>> to peruse. That's how we did it and how we do it. > > > Advertised, but not adhered to. Franklins' America doesn't exist anymore. > > Yes. And some of us aren't pleased about that and are fighting to get it > back. Having people like you lumping "all Americans" together in your passe' > fad of hating Americans through your hypocritical notions certainly doesn't > endear us to you. > > >>> 8. Don't expect to benefit from any technological advances created in > >>> the U.S., including new life-saving drugs. > > > Derived from global forests that are being mown down at a phenomenal rate > > by American timber interests, given the nod by American backed South > > American dictators trained in the school of the americas in Georgia, U.S.A. > > The potential for new, life-saving drugs is being destroyed faster than > > the current species extinction rate. > > Uh-huh. It's our fault those nations are letting their logging companies > do what they do. Yup. I mean it isn't like there hasn't been pressure on > those nations to curb logging from US interests and they've refused because it > is the basis of their economy. And let's completely ignore the net increase > in fauna in the US at the same time. > > >>> 9. Don't call us. > > > Well, we are still trying to, the lights are on, but no one appears to be > > home. > > No, see, you have to pick up the phone first. So far all you've done is > rant about the uniformity of American policy and fail to see the plethora of > competing interests. You poo-poo certain policies while lamenting the lack of > others even though the basis of both is the same. No, it is you with the lit > but empty house. > > >>> Yeah, the U.S. really sucks. And we love hearing it over and over again > >>> from people who are cut off from the fruits of observation, > > > Not really, we are the ones with the subjective experience and the > > objective viewpoint not tied to a tame media. > > Yup. That biting media sure does you well since you have a view that all > Americans think the President's the cat's meow and that everything the US does > is hunky-dory. > > >>> and are really incapable of doing anything but whining. > > > We are capable of a lot more than that, but whining will suffice for now. > > Prove it. Time and again I listen to the ambassadors and representatives > of the world speak and I have to laugh and the doublethink they have to go > through just to make it through the day. My favorite is France. France has > outlawed certain speech. In an interview the French representative actually > said, "France has free speech. Anyone is free to say what they want so long > as it isn't something that is against the law." > > >>> Or who really just have a socialist or communist agenda. > > > This is fifties McCarthyism, an American invention. > > Which was wrong. Doesn't mean that socialism and communism is right. > > Quite frankly I'd be more than happy if the US got out of the world. I'm > tired of footing the bill for other nation's defense. I'd love for the US to > get out of Isreal and Palastine. Not that we're really *IN* it, mind you, > except for urging both sides into talking instead of blowing up marketplaces > and bulldozing settlements. Out of the substates of Yugoslavia. Out of the > world in general. Let it all go to hell because it is clear that in most > cases that's exactly what the people want. Bring it back to our borders and > leave it there save for one understanding; any nation messes with us we will > retaliate en force. We'll leave you hellbound hypocrocites alone but you had > best leave us alone in return. Isolationist but with the right to defend > ourselves. Let people come and go as they please. Let the commercial > interests do what they will within the bounds of the nations they deal with > but as a government, as a nation, let the world be. Stand or fall on its own. > It's not our problem. Make the offical comment on every little petty (in > your eyes) racial slaughter "not our problem." > > But of course you wouldn't want even that, would you? I'd bet you'd be > the first to whine about the lack of foriegn aid. Or the lack of some offical > stance denouncing this or that. Stances are fine but woe be unto the person > who wants to follow through on those stances! Oh no, that's not right! Peh. > We never should have gone out in the first place. I'd debate the issue, but you have your preferred view that appears to be based on a mixture of misconception and a confused perception of Europe being socialist. You obviously also appear to have no understanding of what happened in Yugoslavia. It was not a racist issue, it was similar only in the way that religion imposes paradigms of exclusion in the same way in which nationalism does. Not a bad rant, I hope it assisted you in the appropriate level of repressional release. We could probably have a good conversation sometime, if you ever managed to get your facts straight. LOL. Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
