On Tue, Jan 21, 2025 at 12:20:44PM +0100, CJE wrote: > Hi, > This mail is addressing some system level debian comments from recent > changes you've made in iso structure and in installation... >
Hello Johan, <snip> > and Ive been running unix for almost 40 years... and Linux since it came... > OK - so you're an experienced user of Linux. > My first point: I see that now you have changed your iso structure and > thats a good thing, a long time coming... so good for you... > but then there is your installation software... That's a whole different > story.. My absolute best tip is to delete all that shit you are asking and > replace with LMDE6 installation, hey... its free... so use it... and > learn... The first thing is to install the Debian OS and to have it > running, even if it needs more customization later... Primary: "Get it > fucking running by all means". and then when you can customize it > further... So what do you need to get it running: A user location etc., > hardware config etc. and installer preferences... Nothing else is needed > see LMDE installation... > They possibly do things differently over at Linux Mint. There are various ways to invoke the standard Debian installer and there is also the option to install from a Debian live media image. I can understand frustration but please tone down your expression, maybe? > My most recent experience trying to install sid was: YOur fucking script > did not work AT ALL... so I had to install LMDE6 FIRST to get a running and > boootable system... then youre intsallation scripts FINALLY understood what > was going on... and lett med also add netinst debian stabel... WHat a > complete catastrophe... I mean i have mad about several hundred debian > installations > so i wonder what the hell youre testing crew is doing... shape up!!!! I > know that you can, and what software development is all about SO GET UP AND > GET IT GOING!!! > Which installer please and downloaded from where? We don't routinely provide a sid installer image. An install from Testing daily image has just succeeded for me, for example. Specifics, please. If you installed LMDE6 first - were you working on a pure Debian system at this point? As someone who routinely does Debian point release testing - we do test aspects of the Debian stable installer and also recently tested the Debian Trixie Alpha 1 release. The testing methodology and results are routinely noted in the Debian wiki. > Now Im at last upp and running sid with compiz and other sw (I love > especially wobbling windows, but also the cube), spotify, pulseffects, and > a tweaked MATE desktop although painfully buggy... my plan is ardour and > music/audio and would very much like to run Debian, my absolutely favourite > OS.... > So Im satified for now... but Im concerned about what the fuck debian is > doing when you let newcomers mess around with worlds best Unix/Linux system > today!!! Shape up for God sake... copy what Trump is doing currently... > responsibility is not always a bad thing... Elons meritocracy is a good > thing anywhere it is used.... > I should suggest that "newcomers" is possibly not an adequate description for people with ~30 years worth of experience with Debian in the Debian images team. The political references are also probably off-topic and accordingly unwelcome - please refer to the monthly Debian-user FAQ. > /best regards Johan S With every good wish, as ever, Andrew Cater (amaca...@debian.org)
