On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 11:57:57 +0100 Joe <j...@jretrading.com> wrote: > On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 18:41:08 -0400 > Greg Wooledge <g...@wooledge.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 06:35:48PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > 0 upgraded, 164 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. > > > Need to get 44.5 MB of archives. > > > After this operation, 206 MB of additional disk space will be > > > used. > > > > I really don't understand why people want a GUI package manager at > > all. The last time I used anything even remotely *close* to a GUI > > package manager was dselect, back in the previous century. And that > > was a curses (terminal) interface, not an X11 one. > > > > In the last two decades, I haven't used or wanted anything fancier > > than apt(-get). > > > > Now, granted, this is just my personal stance. I may be atypical. > > That said, what exactly does a GUI package manager offer you, that > > you can't get from "apt install thing-i-want"? > > > > I run sid on my main workstation, and sometimes it gets in a muddle, > with fifty packages not upgradable. OK, if it's a big group of related > packages and a key one hasn't been upgraded yet, there's nothing to be > done about them. But often another thirty packages can be upgraded, > but only in a specific order. I find synaptic much quicker at > clearing this kind of logjam than either apt-get or aptitude. It's > easy to select half a dozen packages and see easily what will be > removed if you try to upgrade, and I once cleared a logjam of about > fifty packages that neither apt-get nor aptitude could deal with. It > was a matter of upgrading a few at a time, and in a particular order, > and I'd have spent all day trying to do that with the other apt tools. > > And no, I don't like to postpone upgrading sid for too long, > particularly at this stage in the lifecycle. >
I don't usually follow myself up, but this is relevant: tonight there were seven packages in unstable to upgrade, and all were held back. I knew about three, they are waiting for a dependency, but the others were calibre and three dependencies. I switched to Synaptic to get a better picture of what was holding them up (yes, I know that can be done from the command line and I even know how to do it, but I prefer Synaptic for that job), and lo and behold, they just upgraded without complaint. I don't know why apt wouldn't do it, there's probably a bug there, but this is unstable and everything is transient... -- Joe
