On Thu, Nov 24, 2022, 6:28 PM Mario Marietto <marietto2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Everytime I say to someone That are skilled I always get the same reply. > Im not. So what ? there arent skilled people all around anymore ? there are > many. but likely they dont want to be called like this. Most of the times > there isnt a large numbers of choices when the time to chose a job is came. > Often it seems that something make the choice for you. And this choice can > be different from what you would like to do. You cant really ignore that > kind of calling. I think the bigger earning comes for example from the > programmers that are close to linus,they can modify the linux source code, > they work for big companies,they make the best earnings. A lot of linux > users dont earn well. In theory the open source code gives an opportunity > that the closed source does not give,but pratically this opportunity is > reserved for a very small number of programmers that will earn few money. > And I think here is where you are losing the trail a bit. The business world doesn't want to pay lots of expensive software developers. That's why far less than 1% of the USA workforce work are software developers. Businesses want to solve the IT problems that they need solved. Authoring new software to solve those problem is less necessary over time, yet more expensive over time. Open source did not make that situation, the evolution of technology made it happen. Just because linux, say, may be the beneficiary of that evolution, does not imply that linux-related employment is noticeable. I suspect that you didnt understood what I mean with "socialyze' ; please > read again. > > Il ven 25 nov 2022, 01:05 David <curmudg...@telaman.net.au> ha scritto: > >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 00:51, Mario Marietto <marietto2...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> you missed the fact that Im not Talking about you or about the users that >> are very skilled. I use linux from the '90s and I never used one of the >> tools you are using. But im not a total newbie. So,think About how many >> categories of users can use linux without to have a good understanding >> about what they are doing. Can they understand what part of the source code >> does what ? open source code is not tailored for the majority of the linux >> users. The real advantage is for the skilled programmers. So,this also >> means that concepts like freedom and openess and security still sounds >> good,but they can be implemented by the majority. This also mean that ok a >> lot of users can use linux for free,but they have no access to the most >> opportunities in terms of earnings. Infact I suspect that only few skilled >> people can change the source code and commit the changes and only these >> persons earns a lot of money. An interesting idea could be to socialize the >> source code of linux with its applications. I mean,to create a method that >> hellp every person with medium intellectual abilities to understand what >> the souce code does to propose a bigger amount of changes. In this way >> linux and the tools can grow in quality and quantity. >> >> >> I'm not missing anything. >> I am pointing out that I'm not skilled, other than a modest ability with >> LaTeX. >> If people want to become familiar with things on the code level, they >> have that opportunity. >> If they don't, they're going to have to depend on the abilities of those >> who have, aren't they. >> We all have our priorities, but at least with open source, the >> opportunity is there. >> Please show me where that facility is available with closed source code. >> And, the vast majority of open source developers are not `earning big >> money'. >> They do it for the broader spectrum definition of wealth. And if you >> don't think that the source code is socialised, I think you need to look at >> your definitions. >> I can't think of any other asset, off the top of my head which is >> socialised to the same degree. >> The code is the medium by way in which open source tools grow'. >> It's not a paint by numbers scenario. >> You are either prepared to learn the language or you are not. >> No return without investment. >> Cheers! >> >> >> Il ven 25 nov 2022, 00:16 David <curmudg...@telaman.net.au> ha scritto: >> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2022 at 00:01, Mario Marietto <marietto2...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> For most users it makes no real difference using closed or open source >>> code,because yes,they can look inside the code,but to understand what the >>> code does they need a master degree. So,for all these users,maybe it's a >>> better idea to use the closed source OS,at least they will be able to use >>> the OS in a more functional way. For sure someone else will work to find >>> the backdoors,but again : a newbie will not be able to understand if a >>> backdoor has been found or if their os is patched. They can only trust what >>> the programmers say. At this point a psychological attitude is needed to >>> gain the real advantage of the open source code : to believe in the >>> good faith of the "good" programmers,but ehy,even this can be hard for >>> someone. >>> >>> >>> I use Debian, with LaTeX to supply templates for all my communication >>> needs, a good email programme in Geary which isn't any more than it needs >>> to be, a couple of browsers in Firefox and Falkon, and Gnumeric and >>> Calligra Words in case somebody who isn't au fait with the situation sends >>> me a Windows doc or Excel file. >>> In other words, I operate the OS in `a fully functional' way and haven't >>> needed any other OS since I switched when XP first came out, over two >>> decades ago. >>> I couldn't read a line of C to save myself. >>> Perhaps you are missing something? >>> Cheers! >>> >>
