On 9/16/22 12:05 AM, Maude Summerside wrote: > > On 2022-09-15 17:56, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > > On 9/15/2022 11:46 AM, Andy Smith wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2022 at 10:04:48PM -0400, Chuck Zmudzinski wrote: > >>> I am not against giving maintainers like Steve just compensation for the > >>> work they do fixing bugs, and by compensation I mean money. > >> > >> It's a very tricky subject to propose to start paying (some?) people > >> in what was always a volunteer project, to do the same work that > >> others do voluntarily. It has been proposed before, and it did not > >> go down well. Search for "dunc tank debian" to read about that. > >> > >> More recently (since 2014), the Debian LTS effort started paying > >> people to upload fixed Debian packages past the end of the normal > >> release lifetime. This is organised by private company Freexian who > >> accept sponsorship funds and pay developers to do this work for > >> Debian, not out of Debian's own funds. > >> > >> https://www.freexian.com/services/debian-lts.html > >> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS > >> https://wiki.debian.org/LTS/FAQ > >> > >> They do LTS, ELTS and some other limited scope efforts. > >> > >> If you do use Debian LTS maybe you could consider contributing to > >> this? Though I would point out: > >> > >> - It's not going to give you the right to tell people what to work > >> on, how to do it, govern their timescales etc. Sponsors are paying > >> for a certain amount of developer time per month, but Freexian and > >> those developers decide what to work on and how to do it. > >> > >> - At the moment the minimum contribution is €255/year. > >> > >> It could also be interesting to explore individual packaging teams > >> within Debian having Patreon and/or ko-fi accounts or similar. > >> > >> Broadly though, none of these small scale funding ideas are ever > >> going to give you the kind of service you apparently seem to want: > >> to be able to force the developers to work on what you want them to > >> work on, in the way you want them to work on it. I can only ever see > >> that happening in situations where you pay much much more for a > >> bespoke solution. > > > > So I have to pay someone lots of money to fix a problem I already know how > > to fix? > > I don't think you really understand my use case very well. > > > > Cheers > > > > Can you stop complaining and take a minute to go read the code of > conduct, rules regarding the Debian mailing list. > There's no reason to do dual posting. > > WtF have you written myself a personal mail ? I think I did, but it was just an oversight. I am aware of the Code of Conduct, and it also says everyone is to presume good intentions, as far as possible. When I noticed I forgot to reply to list, I sent the message again, I think with a little more detail, to the list also, where I should have sent the message in the first place.
BTW, just so everyone is aware, the message I sent is on debian-user, and it is an interesting story about a Debian bug and I don't think it was against the Code of Conduct. Best regards, Chuck
