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On 9/13/22, Simon Josefsson <si...@josefsson.org> wrote: > Ansgar <ans...@debian.org> writes: > >> Hi, >> >> On Mon, 2022-09-12 at 21:03 +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: >>> My experience is the same as you describe, with the free installer: >>> if you pick the right hardware, Debian works directly today. >> >> By "right hardware", I assume you mean hardware that comes with already >> preinstalled non-free software? > > Yes, or (preferrably) hardware that does not come with non-free software > at all. > >> Does choosing only hardware with preinstalled non-free software >> (instead of partially OS-supplied non-free firmware) make the non-free >> software more free? > > I don't believe so, no. > >>> What it seems this vote is about is to go back to the time where a >>> non-free work is required before you can get to the decent free >>> environment. >> >> Try removing all non-free firmware then. Your system won't boot, not >> display anything and you won't be able to input anything either. > > I think you (and Simon McVittie in his email) assume that I have as much > of a problem with non-free works that comes with my system as I do with > non-free works that comes from Debian. I don't. > > Lenovo never promised that my laptop would not contain any non-free > software, and their commercial compromise to be able to sell a laptop is > understandable. I prefer if that wasn't the case, and buy machines > built in a different way (say Purism Libre or Talos II), but I chose to > use my laptop anyway given its limitations. > > My reason for using Debian is that I can rely on getting a 100% free > system, and then add non-free works on top of it when I chose to do so. > > For example, I install the firmware-iwlwifi package on my laptop because > I haven't been bothered to replace the wifi module with an Atheros wifi > module yet, even though I bought it five years ago. This flexibility > suits me well, and it does not seem to be in conflict with the > flexibility you appear to desire: using a non-free installer to install > these things automatically for you. My flexibility will no longer be > permitted by Proposal A and E. > > /Simon >
