On Thursday, 9 June 2022 11:05:27 EDT David Wright wrote: > On Thu 09 Jun 2022 at 06:04:08 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 04:18:04 EDT Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 09, 2022 at 02:59:43AM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 9 June 2022 00:31:55 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > > On Tue 07 Jun 2022 at 16:07:13 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:03:41 EDT gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:35:50 EDT David Wright wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue 07 Jun 2022 at 14:17:08 (-0400), gene heskett wrote: > > > > > > The only way I know how to do that is take a screen shot with > > > > > > my > > > > > > camera. But thats not possible when running the D-I cuz w/o > > > > > > gimp, > > > > > > its at least 5 megs bigger than the server will accept. BTDT. > > > > > > > > > > I don't see why you need a screenshot to post the name(s) of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > disk(s) in the partitioner menu. It's just one line per disk, like: > > > > > SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) - 500.1 GB ATA ST3500000AA > > > > > > > > > > taken from the listing posted in: > > > > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2022/06/msg00055.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could label it, but the partitioner doesn't do > > > > > > > > > labels. > > > > > > > > > This drive is new, and has not anything written to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Really? Which partitioner is that? > > > > > > > > > > > > The one in the D-I. > > > > > > > > > > The d-i partitioner lists PARTLABELs, as the cited listing showed: > > > > > BIOS boot pa/BullBoot/Linux swap/Viva-A/Viva-B/Viva-Home > > > > Andy, What good is a "partlabel" when it does not tell me which drive > > by the drives own readily found name as displayed by dmesg after a > > normal boot? With this drive showing up as ata-5 in dmesg, but > > somehow udev calls it /dev/sdb is confusing as can be. How the h--- > > does a drive plugged into ata-5 on the mobo, get to be named sdb > > when there are 8 other drives in front of it, 4 of them on a > > different controller in the discovery process? > > Come on, we've known for years that the /dev/sdX names for disks are > as good as random. On some machines, you can change the lettering of > their internal drives just by inserting USB sticks at boot. > > > I've zero guarantees that the d-i boot will detect THIS drive I want > > to use, the same as it did for an 11-1 install which generates the > > dmesg I am reading. The d-i shoots itself in the foot with excellent > > aim in this regard. > > For some reason, you won't show what the d-i partitioner /does/ call > it (assuming you're going to partition it with that, which I wouldn't). > > And the d-i will wind up doing a format on the raid10, destroying 6 > > month work, I'll have to reinvent. It did it unfailingly for many > > previous installs, because if I removed brltty, it would not boot > > past not find it in the reboot, which meant the only way I could > > reboot was to re-install yet again. > > I've already posted how to ensure that can't happen, by telling the > d-i not to use the raid10 stuff when installing Debian, and setting up > your real /home later. > > > To the d-i, my history is of no concern, do NOT forget that I've > > already done 25 damned installs trying to save my work. > > Could we! > > > I finally did figure out > > how to silence orca, without destroying the ability to reboot, but > > the > > uptime is 5 to 7 days. All because of seagates f-ing experiment with > > helium filled shingled drives which failed well within a year because > > they thought they could seal them well enough to keep the helium in > > them. > > > > If in 1960, a bank of monel metal bottles with 2" thick walls, went > > from 7200 psi to 4800 psi because it leaks thru 2" of monel from > > midnight to 7:30 when the day shift clocked in. That leakage cost > > the laboratory I was working for around $10,000 a day, we were > > validating the ullage tank presuure regulators for the Atlas missles > > that probably gave John Glen his first ride. > > > > Now seagate thinks they can keep it in a teeny hard drive so they can > > lower the flying height of the heads? The insanity in Oklahoma City > > knows no bounds. And I am out of the spinning rust camp forever, > > SSD's are faster AND far more dependable. > > > > I now have around 6 months work stored on that all SSD raid, and I'll > > be damned if I'll take a chance of losing it. But I'm convinced that > > I have to do one more install, clean of brltty and orca, to get > > uptimes past 8 days. I have repeatedly asked how to get rid of it > > totally, several times on this list and have yet to be advised of a > > way to remove it that doesn't destroy the system, the dependency's > > removed cascade all the way back to libc6. Tying a specialty > > function that deep into the OS that it cannot be removed, only > > half-a--ed disabled and killing the uptime because it leaves a wild > > write someplace slowly destroying the system is inexcusable. > > > > Thats bs, and I'm fresh out of patience. > > > > There should be a procedure to fix this, but the procedure so far is > > to ignore my requests for help in this matter. Only 6 months later, > > have 2 or 3 begun to understand and advise, and I'm gratefull, as I > > hope to be able to complete an install on a fresh drive that both > > saves my work And gets rid of the uptime limits of nominally a week. > > I am very carefully not installing stuff to the system other than > > from the repo, but to my own bin or AppImages directory on that > > raid10. With a suitably modified personal $PATH. > > > > As a detail that may be important, 60 gigs of swap is also on that > > raid10. mobo full at 32Gigs. No swap used ATM, current uptime > > 1d16h29. > > With practice, I might get better at ignoring. > I didn't mean to upset the 3 people who are trying to help, but I just posted a .png that was taken from the d-i screen of an ssh install about30 minutes ago, following your instructions and the drive I want to use is totally missing from that listing. did that screenshot not get thru the debian-user server? It was around 90k in .png. In that case I'll see if I can smunch it better, if I know what the limit is.
Thanks David. > Cheers, > David. > > . Cheers, Gene Heskett. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis
