Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 20:00:44 CEST Celejar a écrit : > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 19:28:39 +0200 > Alexandre Garreau <galex-...@galex-713.eu> wrote: > > Le mardi 13 juillet 2021, 14:01:58 CEST Celejar a écrit : > > > On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 11:54:43 +0300 > > > Reco <recovery...@enotuniq.net> wrote: > > > > Github (Gitlab, Sourceforge, etc) were and are non-free (as in - > > > > non-gratis) services, so it's only reasonable to stay away from > > > > them > > > > regardless of whom is controlling them. > > > > > > What do you mean by calling them non-gratis services? I know that > > > some > > > of their services are non-gratis, but basic code hosting certainly > > > is > > > gratis. > > > > Maybe we could say that you pay with your personal data, or with the, > > per network effect, power you give to microsoft to organize a social > > networking platform that’s very important for finding work, a lot > > more than their shitty linkedin > > Fair enough. But by the same logic, things like Matrix and Signal are > not gratis, since by using them, you empower their controlling > foundations via the network effect.
Signal is not a lucrative company (yet… who knows, looking at their bad faith), but you’re right there, because since they’re centralized and depending on proprietary OSes, you indeed grant power by using them. But Signal is not so powerful, so it’s not a so big problem, it’s only sad given their stated goal, and its ideological proximity with software freedom and net decentralization… Matrix is meant to be decentralized, so network effect shouldn’t apply. But maybe your message is a critic of good faith of matrix people and their network, because of instability (hence unstandardness) of their protocol, asymetry in their gateways (remembering a bit discord…), big asymetries in development of their clients, official non-free client, and total (wilingful?) blindness about existing implementations such as xmpp u.u Same can be argued about Twitter, Facebook, etc. One one hand, they’re gratis of charges, no money is required to enter, on the other hand “if it’s gratis, you are the product”, and indeed these are companies that make actual money. Big money, GAFAM are among the richest in the world u.u And Twitter is pretty powerful (even and especially politically) after all. > Hey, for that matter, Debian is not gratis, since by using it, we grant > considerable power to the DDs, their committees, and the DPL! No, they’re not submitted to network effect, Debian is not a social network. Moreover, Debian is non-lucrative. Currently nobody can get *power* from it.
