On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 01:25:05AM +0100, Linux-Fan wrote: > Andrew M.A. Cater writes: > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 07:06:45AM -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020, at 3:48 AM, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > [...] > > > > > If you have "real" 686 32 bit hardware that you can press into > > service > > that > > > > isn't being used: pick up a Debian i386 disk and try reinstalling > > > > Debian. > > > > > > > > If you have "real" 686 32 bit hardware - get a copy of a Debian live > > CD > > and boot it - you may face probelms if there isn't a lot of > > memory. > > [...] > > > > I'll file an installation report soon. After that, I guess I'll try > > > installing Bullseye and file a report on it. > > > > > > Does anybody know if there's an i386 Live DVD for Bullseye? > > > > Well, that's a good start :) The test suite we used to test for stable > > release CDs is here: > > > > https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianCD/ReleaseTesting/Buster_r7?highlight=%28testing%29%7C%28cd%29%7C%2810.7%29 > > > > - as you can see, we try and exercise as many paths through the standard > > Debian installer as we can. Just knowing that there are people out > > there who could help us test some more installs on real hardware helps. > > You can always do these on KVM / virtual machines of some sort on AMD64 > > hardware but it doesn't exercise real hardware. The text-speech installs > > for visually impaired folk are always tested on real hardware but more > > tests are always welcome - as would be any comment on anything that's > > unreasonable on low memory. > > > > Debian live CDs are not put out by the image creation team but by the > > debian-live team: I suspect they'll be there before Bullseye main > > release. > > > > For testing live CDs - download one or more and try them? > > [...] > > I tried to do a few tests for live CDs and the contained installers. > Additionally, I tried the new Bullseye-Alpha3-Installer. I can report that > except for the "Calamares" installer which did not want to run on a 512 MiB > system, all of the tests I did, worked. As far as I can tell, the > corresponding Wiki-lines that would get a "PASSED" from me are these: >
Good: that gives us a datum point for Calamares - I'm really not surprised. > 1105a debian-live-10.7.0-i386-lxde.iso BIOS Install from DI (Simple disk: > single fs EXT4 Network enabled) > 1105a debian-live-10.7.0-i386-lxde.iso BIOS Start Live Image > 1106a debian-live-10.7.0-i386-standard.iso BIOS Install from DI (Simple > disk: single fs EXT4 Network enabled) > > The more detailed report is currently at [1]. Is it OK for me to just fill- > in the three lines above in the Wiki? It looks like the page is mostly used > by experienced Debian contributors (and I do not even have a Debian Wiki > account yet...)? Does a similar page exist for the Bullseye installer? Or am > I on the wrong track and installation reports should go to an entirely > different location? > This message should be enough: I'm fairly sure the CD images team will pick up on it. There isn't one for the Bullseye installer yet - as you can see, this is our test harness for each individual point release - it's one of the reasons that the actual release process takes 15 hours: the other is that the architectures are built and moved serially - Steve M is working on that. > It is to be noted, that live GUI systems are _extremly_ slow on my i386 > machines. Even LXDE which I thought to use the lowest ressources from the > Debian live systems available cannot help speeding up heavy applications > like Firefox -- it takes literally minutes to open Firefx and process the > URL given as parameter. Xterm runs well, though :) That conforms with my expectations: it may be that that sort of thing is a good datum point for what should/shouldn't be built for i386. Thanks very much indeed for trying and for your help. Next time there's a point release due, pop into debian-cd on OFTC IRC and catch up with what we do, maybe :) All best, Andy C. > > [1] https://masysma.lima-city.de/37/debian_i386_installation_reports.xhtml > > HTH > Linux-Fan > > ΓΆΓΆ
