> On Jun 23, 2019, at 2:24 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 05:45:39PM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote:
>>
>> Purely out of curiosity, I'd like to see what's involved in
>> switching a Debian buster system from systemd to sysv init.
>
> The short version [1]:
>
> apt-get install -y sysvinit-core
That may work when starting from Debian stretch (or a non-gui buster system),
but buster with mate is a little bit more complicated. See my next email “part
2”…
>
>> Please, I don't want to restart or get involved in any of
>> the existing systemd/sysv flame wars [...]
>
> Phew! ;-)
So far we’ve managed. Let’s try to keep it that way!
>
>> First of all, is this even possible?
>
> See above. It's even easy. But see the somewhat longer version
> below.
>
>> Second, has anyone done it? If so, how did you do it?
>> Here's what I've discovered so far:
>
> [I see you already found out about [1], but Mate goes down the drain]
Sad, but I can live with it if necessary.
>
> That's right. "Modern" desktop environments (Gnome and derivatives,
> most probably also KDE) depend these days on systemd. I don't know
> how hard those dependencies are -- you'd want to look at Devuan [2] [3]
> to see how far they went, if at all, into fixing this.
Devuan does seem to have something working — kudos to them!
But I like to have a better idea of how much they have to give up to get the
job done.
>
> Since I'm not using a DE, but just a traditional window manager,
> I’m a happy Debian user without systemd.
Maybe that would work for me too…
Which window manager are you using?
What’s your preferred method of installing it?
>
> Cheers
>
> [1] https://wiki.debian.org/systemd#Installing_without_systemd
> [2] https://devuan.org/
> [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devuan
> -- tomás
