On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 02:28:52 -0800, "Hereon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Request For Comment on: > Enhancing the Debian mailing lists by: > Creating debian-user-woody and debian-user-sarge mailing lists, > and deactivating debian-user. > > Summary: > > 1) The Debian user community is substantially suboptimally served > with the existence of the current debian-user list. > > 2) The debian-user list is _unnecessarily_ overtrafficked, > [due to it being the most likely place to ask user questions, and > find answers, regarding both Stable(Woody), and > Testing/Unstable(Sarge/Sid)] > which causes several problems for the Debian community: > a) Wasted mental effort discerning which version a message > pertains to, > b) Wasted mental effort searching for information on either > Woody or Sarge/Sid in the (currently) combined list. > > 3) The Debian community would be much better served > a) by the creation now of two new mailing lists, called: > 1) debian-user-woody, or possibly debian-user-stable, ..I like to see _both_ debian-user-stable, debian-user-woody, and, debian-user-sarge on the release of sarge onwards, and, leave debian-user-sarge and debian-user-woody etc alone for the duration of sarge's and woody's service lives, to track each release. > or possibly debian-user-3 > 2) debian-user-sarge, or possibly debian-user-sid, > or possibly debian-user-sargesid, > or debian-user-testing, or possibly debian-user-unstable, > or possibly debian-user-testingunstable, > or possibly debian-user-4, > b) and, perhaps, by deactivating debian-user. ..how about "debian-alpha-user-testing" and "debian-beta-user-testing"? ..appending "-sargesid" etc may help people track the development history of each release. Quite handy in these upcoming post-SCO times. > 4) This message is requesting: > 1) Comment regarding specific suggestions of how the situation > could be inproved through the creation of 1 or more additional > lists to augment or replace debian-user, > 2) "Seconds" (to the motion) for the request of these changes. > > 5) After a comment period (perhaps one week), I will review & > analyze the comments. I will then either: > a) Submit a new RFC email, to solicit further clarifications & > additions, or > b) Submit a wishlist bug to request creation of the new lists, as > per: > http://debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list > > 6) Once a wishlist bug for new list creation has been registered with > the Debian bug tracking system, it would be very helpful if > "several other people interested in the new list > would send a mail to the bug, in order to record their > interest" > > > ===================================================================== > === Debian stable releases have been approximately 1-2 years apart. > During this period of time, many Debian users make active use of the > testing/unstable system. > > Currently, user questions about testing/unstable are likely to be > asked in the debian-user list. > > But, that is definitely not the best way that things could be. > > By asking T/U questions in the -user forum, this is putting > communications on two logically separable topics (stable, and > testing/unstable) into one channel/forum. This causes several > problems: > > 1) The repeated need for QUESTION ASKERS to specify which of the two > versions their question refers to. > > 2) The repeated need for READERS to be constantly alert as to which of > the two versions each message is referring to. > > 3) The difficluty of being unable to easily FIND INFORMATION in the > list archives relevant to a topic on which you want some > information/data. Ex: Someone wanting info about a specific topic > regarding T/U would have to try to de-cohere the combined list to find > the messages pertaining to their (S, or T/U) system. > > These problems could be eliminated, and no new long term problems more > serious than the current situation would occur, through the creation > of two new mailing lists, perhaps called > debian-user-woody and debian-user-sarge, > and perhaps by deactivating the current debian-user list. > > An excellent time to do this would be just before the start of the new > calender year, January 2004. ..I would do this on the official release of sarge. Anyone know a _mean_ boot school sarge for the announcement? ;-) > Your solution oriented comments are greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. :-) > > ===== > If you think this would be a good idea, please reply to the list re > this email, so that there is a public record of support for this > enhancement of the Debian mailing lists. This is important for > documenting desire for this enhancement, so that the Debian mailing > list maintainer(s) will have evidence that this is useful for the > Debian community. Thank you. :) > > ===================================================================== > === Some relevant web pages: > > HOWTO request a mailing list > http://debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list > > Requests for changes to the mailing lists: > Debian Bug report logs: package lists.debian.org > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=lists.debian.org > > A recent mailing list creation request: > request for new list: debian-desktop > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=218757 > ===================================================================== > === > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... 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