On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 11:15:17AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Thu 14 Sep 2017 at 18:55:34 (+0300), Reco wrote: > > Hi. > > > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 10:19:45AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > > > On Thu 14 Sep 2017 at 10:51:43 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > Begin rant: > > > [...] > > > > Since they without doubt have a backdoor for the snooping agencies, > > > > this > > > > exposes my mail to these people for 1000's of times longer (If I do it > > > > once a week for instance) compared to fetchmail pulling and deleting it > > > > every 3 minutes. > > > > > > Oh, I see. So if you can just get your emails in and out of the ISP's > > > system within three minutes, this will catch the snoopers napping/ > > > on coffee break/gossiping round the water cooler/however the > > > agency's monitors take their breaks. Do you have a similar strategy > > > for crossing toll bridges? Like climbing the piers and then sprinting > > > across, so avoiding the approaches where those pesky toll booths > > > are located. > > > > While it's a legitimate point, the better one would be the following: > > > > How can you be sure that deleting mail at your ISP server actually > > deletes it? > > If the agencies are going to snoop at the obvious point, the point of > entry to the ISP, then it makes no difference how long the ISP keeps > information after you think it's been deleted. (Once you've paid the > toll, it doesn't matter to them whether you sprint to the other side > of the bridge or push a pea across it with your nose: they've already > got your money.)
True. But it's more convenient to 'persuade' ISP to store e-mails for them. This way ISP filters spam, not the man-in-the-middle. Saves taxpayer money by reducing storage costs and all such. > > It's very easy to setup mail delivery in such way that every e-mail is > > stored in two different places, first one for the users' IMAP, and > > second one is for … backup purposes, so to speak. > > What, by emailing it somewhere else? Nah, by setting up MDA in such a way that every user has two mailboxes. Only one of them is exposed to the user via POP or IMAP. hardlinking files in maildir also does the trick. Reco
