-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:55:36AM -0700, tom arnall wrote: > i read the piece on installing without systemd. i get the feeling > that the bottom line of it is: good luck. or am i missing something?
That depends on your expectations wrt desktop. If you target a fat DE, it'll be difficult (for Gnome perhaps nigh impossible dunno). If you just need a window manager, then it'll turn out as fairly easy. > who decided that Debian shd be locked to systemd? It was a pretty intense fight. Where were you at that time? At the end, the Debian Technical Committee decided systemd to be the default init system. Many didn't like that decision, but it wasn't taken lightly. > what did they do to poll the views of the user community on the question? Come on. I strongly dislike systemd myself, and my Debian boxes will be systemd-less, but still: there was discssion. A lot of it. You may dislike the outcome. I may dislike it. But nobody can say things went through in secret. > is it true that Red Hat had a major influence on the Debian decision makers? In a way, yes -- but mostly it was the big upstream packages (e.g. Gnome) tying closely to systemd services. Debian would have had to ditch Gnome as default DE, or maintain a systemd-less fork of Gnome. And other DEs are jumping on that train too (for whatever reasons. Ask them, not me). > from what i've read so far, systemd is still very much in beta at > best. wd people on this list agree with that? That will depend on whom you ask. Note that this has been very traumatic. Best to avoid drama, whichever "side" you are on. Be nice and polite to the other "side" -- they are doing free software as you are, after all. *If* you care about alternatives to systemd within Debian, then please *do something about it*. Besides the above mentioned page, which is IMHO pretty good (if somewhat short on details), there's Devuan, there's Thorsten Glaser <https://www.mirbsd.org/~tg/Debs/debidx.htm>, there's a set of slides by Axel Beckert <https://noone.org/>. Do something. But leave personal attacks out of it. Pretty please. We've had too much of that (in both directions). Thanks for listening to my soapbox :-) regards - -- tomás -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlYeIXwACgkQBcgs9XrR2kaKPwCcDs3AaGq6IMgmWJxhXOGqkMYE ndoAnj3NnS66R45C5AbQIDTti1gXm/1g =9ths -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
