On Thursday, February 05, 2015 06:08:51 AM Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 04, 2015 at 09:57:50AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 03, 2015 05:01:46 AM Darac Marjal wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 02, 2015 at 06:16:34PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> [cut]
> 
> > My point in all this is that the installer WILL NOT ALLOW you, in any
> > mode, to just format and label a partition and use it. Try to skip the
> > partitioner and go on to the next step it will NOT allow. The only way
> > you can get past that is to allow it to write a broken partition table 
> > So ATM, I have no clue if this drive is partition synchronized so that
> > the 2 partitioms on it, / & swap, are in fact sector aligned.
> 
> OK. For clarity, I'm going to go through this on an existing VM I have
> (so already partitioned). I am using the Debian Wheezy 7.8.0 Net Install
> CD from here: https://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst
> 
> I boot from the CD (ISO) and, at the boot prompt, select "Install"
> I walk through the language selection and wait for "Loading Additional
> Components".
> Networking auto configures and I leave the hostname and domain at
> default.
> I leave the root password blank and enter details for a new user.
> 
> At this point, we get to the dialog marked "Partition disks". My options
> here are "Guided - use entire disk", "Guided - use entire disk and set
> up LVM", "Guided - use entire disk and set up encrypted LVM" and
> "Manual". I choose *"Manual"*.
> 
> This takes me into the partitioner itself. There are four menu options
> at the top ("Guided partitioning", "Configure software RAID", "Configure
> the Logical Volume Manager", "Configure encrypted volumes"), a blank
> line and then the layout of my existing disks. In my case, it starts
> with a line for the disk "SCSI3 (0,0,0) (sda) - 8.6 GB ATA VBOX
> HARDDISK", then a line for each of the partitions "#1  primary
> 8.2 GB  B  ext4", "#5  logical  401.6 MB   F  swap  swap" etc. And
> finally, there are two "exit" actions: "Undo changes to the partitions"
> and "Finish partitioning and write changes to the disk".
> 
> At this point, the installer has made no changes to the existing
> partitions.
> 
> I move the red-bar cursor down to the line starting "#1 primary" and
> press enter, as that is the partition where I wish to install Debian.
> 
> I now get a dialog starting "You are editing partition #1 of SCSI3 ...".
> Here, my options are "Use as:     do not use", "Bootable flag: on",
> "Resize the partition (currently 8.2GB)" and so on. I move the cursor to
> "Use as:     do no use" (well, it's already there) and press enter.
> 
> I am taken to a selection dialog where I can choose the file system to
> put on partition #1. For the sake of argument, I select the top entry
> "Ext4 journaling file system".
> 
> This takes me back to the previous level, but now I have extra options.
> The "Use as:" line now shows the partition will become an Ext4 file
> system and below that are the options "Format the partition: no, keep
> existing data" (if the installer determines that the partition is blank,
> this may read "yes, format it"), "Mount point: none", "Mount options:
> defaults" and "Bootable flag: on".
> 
> As I am using a single partition, I scroll down to "Mount point: none",
> press enter and from the selection dialog, choose "/ - the root file
> system".
> 
> Finally, I scroll down to "Done setting up the partition" and press
> enter.
> 
> So, now  I'm back at the top level of the partitioner. The layout of my
> disk is shown again. This time, the last column of the table of
> partitions shows that partition #1 will be used as "/", and partition #5
> will be used as "swap".
> 
> If I now wanted to proceed with installation I would scroll down to
> "Finish partitioning and write changes to disk". This would *NOT ALTER
> THE PARTITION TABLE*, it would merely format the partitions (#1 would me
> made ext4 and #5 would be re-initialised as swap). Installation would
> then proceed.
> 
> 
> Now, IF you've been following that procedure AND your installer isn't
> behaving in the same manner, then hit a bug in the installer that hasn't
> been spotted in about 18 months of regular use by many people.

I have been down that graden path so many times I think I could do it in my 
sleep.  I had that drive setup with a hair over a gig for the /boot, and all 
that, it did write a new table giving boot only 300 megs, and all the other 
partitions were either too small or way too big.

File it, its a bug, a huge one IMO, you may want to take your favorite deer 
rifle along in case it attacks you.

But why do I have to repeat what I've said all along?  I have even posted the 
outputs obtained from other partiotioning utilites after several other 
installs, and they all show similar results.
 
> > What is very discouraging in all this is that to a person, you _al_l
> > believe the installer can do no wrong, AND its onvious that this list is
> > not in any way connected to the people that build the install, so you
> > are not telling the install image people there is a problem with how it
> > handles these new 4k sector disks.
> > 
> > So the problem is not going to get fixed due to a lack of communication.
> > Your bug tracker isn't accessible to me as I don't even have incoming
> > mail setup such that I could confirm the subscription I'd need to file
> > the bug.  Chicken v egg.
> 
> You could always create an account with any of the free webmail
> providers (gmail, yahoo, outlook etc) and use that.
> 
I don't do webmail. Its not open for discussion as every windows box I have 
been asked to service has been from a user that think aol or whatever is the 
cats meow, and I wind up deleting 50 or more viri and keyloggers from their 
boxes.

Cheers, Gene Heskett


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