Am Mittwoch, 3. Dezember 2014, 08:35:00 schrieb Erwan David: > Le 02/12/2014 23:15, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > > Am Dienstag, 2. Dezember 2014, 18:47:38 schrieb Renaud OLGIATI: > >> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:22:13 -0700 > >> > >> Aaron Toponce <aaron.topo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> It's a waste. They shouldn't have left. I'm pretty neutral about > >>>> systemd as I'm only an end user but I disklike having it forced upon me > >>>> this way. > >>> > >>> # apt-get install upstart > >>> # apt-get install sysvinit-core > >>> # apt-get install openrc > >>> No one is forcing you to stick with systemd. The "fork" is just silly. > >> > >> Another way to look at it is "forward planning for the release after > >> Jessie, when systemd may well become compulsory..." > > > > Or going beyond what is offered in Debian… like making GNOME installable > > without having any systemd related package installed. > > The systemd package is just a small part of systemd. I'd like to remove > systemd-logind and lbpam-systemd, sinc I have no clue at all that logind > is better deisgned and programmed than resolved, which showed it was > designed without any care for well known attacks.
I explicetely wrote "any systemd related package". But yes, my example was incomplete. With all related packages it looks like this: merkaba:~> LANG=C apt-get purge libpam-systemd libsystemd-id128-0 libsystemd0 libsystemd0 systemd systemd-ui Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: abe-data analitza-common augeas-lenses bluez-obexd briquolo-data calligrastage-data celestia-common colobot-common colobot-common-sounds colobot-common-textures command-not-found dreamchess-data ebtables epiphany-data extremetuxracer-data extremetuxracer-extras ffmpegthumbs fonts-ebgaramond-extra freedroid-data freedroidrpg-data frogatto-data gir1.2-vte-2.90 kalzium-data kde-config-cron kde-games-core-declarative kde-icons-mono kde-thumbnailer-deb kdeartwork-style kdeartwork-theme-window kdeartwork-wallpapers kdeedu-kvtml-data kdegames-card-data kdegames-mahjongg-data kdegraphics-mobipocket kdegraphics-strigi-analyzer kdegraphics-thumbnailers kdenetwork-filesharing kdepim-mobileui-data kdesdk-strigi-plugins kdesdk-thumbnailers kexi-data kgamma kgeography-data klettres-data ksaneplugin kstars-data ktouch-data ktux lbreakout2-data libakonadi-socialutils4 libakonadi-xml4 libalure1 libanalitza5abi1 libanalitzagui5abi1 libanalitzaplot5abi1 libapache-poi-java libaugeas0 libbluedevil2 libboost-chrono1.55.0 libboost-signals1.55.0 libboost-wave1.55.0 libbulletcollision2.82 libbulletdynamics2.82 libcommons-codec-java libcomposereditorng4 libdataquay0 libdebconf-kde0 libdumb1 libechonest2.1 libfishsound1 libfox-1.6-0 libfreeimage3 libfs6 libftgl2 libgcj-bc libgeoclue0 libglee0d1 libgtkmm-3.0-1 libguess1 libgwengui-fox16-0 libgwengui-gtk2-0 libgwenhywfar60-dev libid3-3.8.3c2a libkasten2controllers2 libkasten2core2 libkasten2gui2 libkasten2okteta1controllers1abi1 libkasten2okteta1core1 libkasten2okteta1gui1 libkdeedu-data libkdegames6abi1 libkdegamesprivate1abi1 libkeduvocdocument4 libkiten4abi1 libkmahjongglib4 libktoblzcheck1-dev liblinearmath2.82 liblo7 liblrdf0 liblsofui4 libmozjs185-1.0 libmxml1 libmygui.ogreplatform0debian1 libmyguiengine3debian1 libnetcf1 liboggz2 libogre-1.9.0 libokteta1core1 libokteta1gui1 libparted-fs-resize0 libphysfs1 libprojectm2 libqapt1 libqtgstreamerutils-0.10-0 libqxt-core0 libqxt-gui0 libraptor1 librubberband2 libsublime8 libswt-cairo-gtk-3-jni libswt-glx-gtk-3-jni libswt-webkit-gtk-3-jni libunshield0 libusbredirhost1 libva-glx1 libvte-2.90-9 libvte-2.90-common libxine2-bin libxine2-doc libxine2-ffmpeg libxml++2.6-2 libxmlbeans-java libxmp4 manaplus-data neverball-common neverball-data oolite-data oolite-data-sounds oolite-doc openmw-data p7zip pachi-data palapeli-data parley-data pbzip2 pinball-data pingus-data pristine-tar projectm-data python-gdbm python-ipaddr python-opengl python-pyside.qtdeclarative python-pyside.qtgui python-pyside.qthelp python-pyside.qtnetwork python-pyside.qtopengl python-pyside.qtscript python-pyside.qtsql python-pyside.qtsvg python-pyside.qttest python-pyside.qtuitools python-pyside.qtwebkit python-pyside.qtxml python-urlgrabber qtdeclarative4-kqtquickcharts-1 redshift scummvm-data supertux-data transcode-doc trophy-data ttf-femkeklaver ttf-unifont twolame unmo3 x11-session-utils x11-xfs-utils xinit Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 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This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing! bsdutils libsystemd0 (due to bsdutils) 0 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 561 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 37.9 MB of archives. After this operation, 2179 MB disk space will be freed. You are about to do something potentially harmful. To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!' ?] So you can still choose to what init system to use, but running completely without any systemd related packages gives you a really crippled system. Basically it would deinstall the desktop I use. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3345821.stkdtafgQT@merkaba
