On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek <nemomm...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: > >> On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: >> >> > I fear that once
If? > > >systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian ? Perl might be, but it seems a little hyperbolic to say systemd is (anymore then dev/devfs/Xfree-86/OpenOffice was). > > > as the >> > default init more distros will follow suit, Very few do not include systemd. I'd welcome a definitive list of those that don't. >> > and more and more >> > developers will start writing apps with systemd, or parts of it, as >> > a dependency for the "features" it offers. It's their choice - likewise it's your choice *not* to write alternatives. It 'sounds' like you're proposing a regime where those that produce have their "freedom of choice" constrained by "users". I struggle to find a rationale that makes that reasonable or likely to do anything other than destroy, given that the "user" has a choice. >> >> Every other distro of merit has long since made the switch. We're >> just late to the party. Are you just figuring it out now? Ric > > Depends on what you mean by "distros of merit." > > Last time I checked -- two or three weeks ago -- only 6 distros > besides Jessie were using systemd as the default: Depends on what 'you' call "*default*". It implies a choice - as opposed to "*mandatory*". More importantly it depends on whether using "default" as a measure of support for your "argument"(?) is relevant. > Fedora 15, > RHEL 7, CentOS 7, Arch, OpenSUSE, and SUSE Server. Just read today > OpenMandriva uses it. Probably Mandriva, too. Haven't checked. So, 9 > total including Jessie. In any case, not a long list. Assuming your best intentions - that you meant "supported", it's a *much* longer list. A shorter list is those distributions that *do not* include systemd. > > I've also just read of a systemd-less fork of Jessie/Debian. Debuan, I > think it's called. A novel "fork" in that it appears to focus more on raising money than producing code, and that it's "developers" are anonymous. An interesting concept for a FOSS project. Aside from those peculiarities (and the hype associated with it) perhaps it will turn out to be a more recent version of xwin? (apologies to Keith Packard if the comparison is unjustified). <snipped> I tend to agree with Theodore Ts'o[*1] in that systemd is a worthy project designed to fix the failings and overcome the limitations of sysinitv, and that it 'might' be moving too fast. In that light I applaud the Debian decision to make it the *default*[*2] in Jessie so that it's failings can be exposed to a wider audience for the purposes of assessment and improvement. [*1] and Linux Torvalds, (oft misquoted) http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/open-source/65402-torvalds-says-he-has-no-strong-opinions-on-systemd [*2] while maintaining support for alternative inits where individual developer's and packager's time constraints/motivations allow. Hopefully returning the list to it's correct discussions Yours in Debian solidarity -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/camt2cqn6dz1f1ehspx_kr+hb0n5ucn0sag_p5osp9r-svx5...@mail.gmail.com
